[MD] Social Intellectual

[skutvik at online.no]

Ian, All. 

I'm away from home, living at a place with no internet connection and  
go to a place with such only every other day so my replies may get 
somewhat jumbled. I'll start with this from you of 22 July 

I had written:
> > Rationality - Intellect - must be kept high and dry as the highest
> > static value, but subordinated a greater system that has the DQ/SQ
> > matrix as existence's fundament. Your (DMB) suggestion is outright
> > dangerous: a science introducing rhetorics as criteria!!! The theory
> > that wins a shouting contest is declared true. Ian may not know what is
> > at stake,

Ian:
> Cut out the FUCKING PERSONAL INSULTS Bo, and argue with what people
> actually say, or just SHUT THE FUCK UP. I'm off to the hills .... sort
> the DICKHEAD out Horse. Ian 

The better I hit the weak interpreters' sore points the more virulent 
your language. I don't see a trace of personal insults in my input 
above, yet you hit the roof. Well as with Krimel I'm not much 
concerned with reprimands from those who don't understand or care 
for the MOQ, but only want to defend the latter day Pirsig. My English 
isn't much, but I notice how sex-fixated you swear-words are, while our 
Scandinavian are "religious".    

Well over to yours of 

21 July.

> Hell of a rant Bo, most of it to me seems to convey your SOMist view
> of Intellect ...

Rant depends on one's position.

> But you clearly believe this line "When will this deeply un-moqish
> notion about intellect being mental (just concepts) come to an end?"
> Apart from the pejorative"just" .... in your world intellect is
> subjects and objects. 

When will this silly "intellect as subjects and objects" end? Bring out 
your pen and write this down: The intellectual level is the OBJECTIVE 
attitude that sees itself fighting SUBJECTIVE beliefs. superstition, 
emotions, all that isn't real because it's just in our minds. This is also 
known as RATIONALITY!  

> In your words - without resorting to the word mind - how are these
> subjects and objects held, manipulated, in intellect ?

Finally a relevant question!
Memory, retrieval and manipulation thereof is biology,  brain is a 
computer with RAM, ROM, Caches and CPU  ... the lot. With animals 
memory is not conveyed by language but by sense impressions but 
nevertheless they think by these processed by the logical gates. I 
believe it was the big neocortex-brained Homo Sapiens that became 
the building block of the social level and with the advent of language 
thinking-as-intelligence was enhanced phenomenally by becoming 
conceptual (that this thinking was in "society's" service goes without 
saying) Then the intellectual level, and as is the level's wont, intellect 
perceived everything as own property, thinking became a subject 
surveying the objective world. And the weak MOQ interpreters are 
stuck at intellect and believe that it can be "expanded" to include the 
MOQ and - granted -  the said "caches" can be filled with MOQ words, 
but that will only be more intellect - more SOM. MOQ's scope is 
infinitely grander, namely to tear loose from intellect and establish a 
higher meta-level that opens the above sketched view of existence. 
But of course intellect have no intention of becoming a sub-set of a 
greater system, the creator himself  was struck down by intellect's 
immune system and the recuperated RMP dropped the radical MOQ 
and under intellect's surveillance he produced the harmless pseudo-
MOQ that intellect just loves, particularly the "MOQ an intellectual 
pattern", that's its gem.          

Bodvar