[MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

[Krimel]

> [Krimel]
> The cogito is a simple statement: "I think therefore, I am." In
formulating
> it Descartes was seeking an answer to skeptics. I would not deny that 17th
> century French culture influenced him in this effort and that Descartes is
a
> product of 17th century culture; but I don't think it is at all accurate
to
> say that the cogito rests on the assumptions of 17th century French
culture.
> In fact Descartes' aim was to construct a statement that would hold true
> regardless of the assumptions one has or the culture one participates in.
> Nor is the statement's validity altered in any way by the MoQ.

[Magnus]
Let me ask you this then. *If* the levels were discrete and dependent, 
would you agree that the Descarte statement would be changed into what I 
said yesterday?

[Krimel]
Levels are conceptual structure much like what Piaget and other cognitive
psychologists call schema. These are structures of thought that help us
organize and interpret the information we as sentient beings are bathed in.
As noted above I think these conceptual structures are fractal and as Piaget
said we construct them by assimilating new information that fits into them
or accommodating them to handle new data that doesn't fit. (the platypus is
a classic example of accommodation) These conceptual schema are illusions.
They are particular ways that we have of organizing the world. The
outstanding quality of human beings is our ability to construct these schema
and to shift between and among them. Which is to say our ability to take
different points of view.

[Magnus]
I think (I (subject), experience the ideas (object) in my brain)
therefore I exist in the same stack in which my physical brain resides. 
Because ideas are intellectual patterns and all patterns are dependent 
on lower level patterns.

[Krimel]
No. The cogito only provides certainty as to your own existence. It tells
you nothing about the nature of that existence nor about the existence of
anything else. It doesn't tell you anything about a brain or about levels or
patterns.