[MD] The social and intellectual strongholds.

[David Thomas]

Bo,

Great. I see you finally have made a baby step in the right direction.
According to the SODV diagram RMP, in relating the MoQ levels to SOM,
indicated the top two levels were subjective. You have for years strongly
objected to that characterization. I'm glad you finally agree.

>[Bo agrees] 
> In SOM all items in this questionnaire will be SUBJECTIVE

But I do have to admit that your imagination is indeed "God-like" compared
to mine. Guess it has something to do with this claim which is beyond me:

>> For Platt and Bo the above are as "filled in"

Is "filled in" for you akin to "no self" in Buddhism?

But the idea that this "filled in" in Norway can imagine the words  "The
City" and they become a reality, not a "map" or a "concept of reality, but
an honest to God "social pattern of value" thousand of miles away containing
millions of people and buildings is indeed an awesome power.
You have truly moved beyond the "Church of Reason".
I'm in awe! How did you do that?
Just to keep all those New Yorkers from freaking out I think we better keep
this to ourselves.

Dave

> Dave T, Platt, All.
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> 27 Feb. you wrote:
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>> Oh exalted, enlightened, great ones Bo and Platt please grant all us
>> small biological fry the boon of your wisdom by answering some
>> questions. In Lila there is a part that occurs in New York City.
>> "The City" so called to many of it's residents. Now imagine these
>> two words,close your eyes if you must, picture them inline like
>> above, or stacked one one top of the other. Now imagine them in
>> black, then red. Etc. This is a normal human capability.
> 
>> 1. Fill in the blank with what level is this imagined "The City" is
>> to be assigned?
> 
>  A social pattern totally dominated by intellectual value.
> 
> "The Giant" part in LILA - as an example of the social vs biology
> "code" never stuck with me. As with the "map projection" example
> Pirsig once found it mighty good, and could not resist it even if it does
> the MOQ no good. New York - like the USA and every Western
> community - is an intellect-controlled one where the laws and their
> enforcement are subject to strict intellectual limitations. The crown
> example of social value freely spending biological members is Islam
> and its demand on its devotees to sacrifice themselves in the fight
> against "western values". The fact that they do so voluntarily does not
> mean anything else that the Muslims' social component totally
> overrules their biological as our intellectual overrides the social.
> 
> 
>> Now change the imagining to Einstein's E=MC2
>> 2. Fill in the blank with what level is this imagining is to be
>> assigned?
> 
>> The Intellectual level.
> 
>> Now change the imagining to Pirsigs MoQ.
>> 3. Fill in the blank with what level is this imagining is to be
>> assigned?
> 
> Originally a subjective theory that - in hindsight - "took off" to become
> the system that makes all things "value patterns" and created the
> problem for those who don't understand this inside-out metaphysical
> turn.
> 
>> 4. Fill in the blank with whether the above patterns of value are
>> either "internal" or "external" to the patterns of values called Bo
>> and Platt?
>  
> For Platt and Bo the above are as "filled in". For Dave T. and other
> somists, existence is still spilt along the internal (subjective)/external
> (objective) pattern.
> 
>> 5. Assuming the SOM system, Fill in the blank with whether the above
>> patterns of value are either "subjects" or "objects."
> 
> In SOM all items in this questionnaire will be SUBJECTIVE (subject/
> object also includes the adjectives)
> 
>> Nearly fried,
> 
> Chicken?
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> Bodvar
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