[MD] Redressing the MoQ

[Magnus Berg]

Hi Bo

> 27 Feb.you gave a "bergpreken" (sermon from the mount:)

:) "Bergspredikan" in Swedish if my memory serves me.

> Language as intellect's building block ...hmmm I once thought so too,
> but it proves that whole cultures (the Muslim) can have language and
> "thump books" without making it to the 4th. level. Of course, language
> is employed by intellect (like Pirsig said) for it's own purpose) but its
> "carbon"  ... hardly.

Just to clarify, when you say "making it to the 4th level", I interpret it as 
the Muslim culture is ruled by social rules instead of intellectual. It does 
*not* mean that Muslim people are not capable of reacting to intellectual 
patterns, i.e. be intelligent. I'm still amazed why all people here have never 
even tried to resolve that obvious culprit with the MoQ.

Regarding the carbon issue, language is almost like carbon, not exactly. Carbon 
is just one possible element to build biological patterns with. It happens to be 
the most suitable in earth's environment, but in another environment, another 
element may be more suitable.

Language however, is absolutely necessary for intellectual patterns. One 
*specific* language, for instance English, would map exactly to what carbon is 
to the biological level. If you write something in English, like this post, you 
require English to decode the message as intellectual patterns. Without English, 
the intellectual patterns are gone. It's exactly the same with carbon and 
biological patterns built with it. Take the carbon away, and the biological 
patterns are as gone. I have no idea how it's possible to *not* realize that 
similarity.

> If you mean "intellect" had to be present for the ancient Israelis to
> read the "Early books" you are mistaken, neither the ancient
> Egyptians, Babylonians nor Israelis were of the 4th. level. I know you
> mean they were intelligent people, but you are hell bent on not seeing
> the trouble the intelligence-intellect hotch-potch causes.

I have seen it, if you mean the Muslim example above. But I have also a 
solution, which I'm trying to convey.

Or were you referring to some other hotch-potch?

> Pirsig did not speak about "reasoning" regarding the early scriptures,
> those people just understood written language - like the Neanderthals
> understood spoken language. Their repective INTELLIGENCE
> enabled that. I don't know where to place you in the crypto-somists'
> rank, but never mind you solidly belong there.

I still can't fathom how you can just demote both Neanderthal and human 
"respective" intelligence to mere biology, that's what you're doing right? And 
you show no signs of even trying to understand what I'm saying regarding the 
difference between individual intellect and an intellectually governed society.

	Magnus