[MD] atheistic and content

[MarshaV]

On Mar 12, 2010, at 6:34 AM, gav wrote:

> atheism may be a nonsensical position.
> it is like saying - 'here is this concept [of god] that i have imagined, now i am going to pretend it doesn't exist.


Gav,

Atheism to me is a low-value social static pattern.   

[Definition:  Atheists are people who believe that god or gods 
(or other supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, 
myths and legends or who believe that these concepts are 
not meaningful.]  

No existence/non-existence to debate.   

> 
> there is no transcendent ground to validate our imaginings - quality, god, tao, fish, bubblewrap: all imaginary and real


There is unpatterned experience which is available, and sans drugs offers a rich, vital experience beyond words.   

A cookbook or a romance novel can contain wisdom.  I do not know how anyone can defend that violent, sexist crap that is the bible.   

I was most grateful that RMP, as the MoQ's author, made it so clear:


"The MOQ supports religion but does not support many Christian traditions."
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)
 
The MOQ is an atheistic religious outlook that solves rather than bypasses religious problems.
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)
 
"Quality is nature. The MOQ says there is no spiritual principle in man that makes knowledge possible. Nature does the whole job."
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)
 
“The MOQ does not rest on faith. In the MOQ faith is very low quality stuff, a willingness to believe falsehoods.”
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)
 
"The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely dropped as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and Dynamic freedom. The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is anti-theistic."
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)
 
"The selling out of intellectual truth to the social icons of organized religion is seen by the MOQ as an evil act."
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)
 
“For quality, no faith is required because there is no way you can disbelieve that there is such a thing as quality.”
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)
 
"When you hear the words 'spirit' and 'faith' always look for a traditional religionist trying to sneak his goods in the back door. ...like the positivists, the MOQ drops spirit and faith, cold."
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)
 

Hurray!!!  



Marsha, of the hurray.    




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> --- On Fri, 12/3/10, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> Subject: [MD] atheistic and content
>> To: "MoQ" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Received: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:14 PM
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>> I've always  thought of the moq as an atheistic,
>> anti-thesitic place where 
>> I might be a religious person who doesn't believe in god,
>> or better yet,
>> a place without such divisions as I and
>> god.   
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