[MD] The Courtship and Marriage of Sophie and Phil

[John Carl]

Heyo, Ian,


It just occurred to me.  That's my best thing, I think, when stuff just
occurs.

But honestly it did occur to me while reading Royce.  Good philosophy
produces good thoughts or what good is it?

John

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Ian Glendinning
<ian.glendinning at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Philosophy as the Wisdom of Love is a view I also subscribe to - but
> tell me do you have a source for that form of words as an accepted
> greek lingusitc translation, or did the word-play on the accepted
> philosophical translation just occur to you ? Like, I'm sure you never
> actually believed Wisdom was about intellectual smartness at any
> point.
>
> I think this is such an important point.
> I can't count how many times I've quoted Elvis ... what's so funny 'bout
> ...
> Regards
> Ian
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Royce lays out an argument for the basis of ethics in "the striving to be
> > both humane and reasonable at once".  This struck me as fresh, somehow.
> I've
> > always been beguiled by an English interpretation of Philo-Sophia, as the
> > "Love of Wisdom."  This interpretation made sense to me as the striving
> for
> > wisdom, the getting of smartness, making intellectual attainment the
> goal.
> > What you value (love) is what is most important - thus wisdom is the
> point
> > of philosophy.
> >
> >
> > But really, is lonely wisdom all that great?  Isn't that the cold ghost
> of
> > reason that Phaedrus pursued (in himself) and thrashed (with some help)
> and
> > we all recognize.
> >
> > What then has been missing from my normal understanding of Love of
> Wisdom,
> > my PhiloSophy?
> >
> > I've missed out on the the marriage of the two.  Both together creating a
> > new entity that transcends both.   The marriage of wisdom and Love
> produce
> > the Good - a healthy little family triad.
> >
> > So... what does that mean to me in experience?  Well for the future, I'll
> > have to wait and see.  For the present... all it means is I'm writing
> words
> > to the world from a certain ethical impetus to make sense and to make
> love
> > simultaneously.
> >
> > Maybe this is what y'all meant by equating Quality with Love as being too
> > "Hallmarky"  I think it was dmb, who pointed me that one, so yeah, I get
> it
> > now what is meant.  Love without wisdom is mushy, with no real structure
> or
> > "spine", in the same way wisdom without love is too stern and pointed and
> > angular.  You gotta have both for a realization of the good.
> >
> > When I apply this wisdom to my past experience, I see a pattern of
> > disturbances where the harmonic unity was not maintained.  Was I lacking
> > wisdom?  Or was it love that was lacking?   A combination of both, I
> > suppose.  If I'd only cared more, I would have known better.  If I'd
> known
> > better, I would have cared more.
> >
> > I've gone through so many friendships in my life,  friendships that I
> didn't
> > want to lose, friendships that broke apart for reasons I continually
> > explore.  Seeking where the choices lay, working out what it means and
> why.
> > Intellectual understanding of why love goes.
> >
> > An impossible task.
> >
> > But since when has that ever stopped us?
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