[MD] trinity explanations

[MarshaV]

Purrr-fect...    

It was a long time ago, but not forgotten.   

Thank you, John, the word helper.  
 
 
 

On Mar 24, 2010, at 4:21 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> I agree with your discomfort with "religious".  Too many connotations of
> social conformity and mass hysteria.
> 
> But "psychological experience",  even extreme, is too clinical, objective
> and falls short, I think.  We could go with "spiritual" but that just so
> nebulous and over-used and trite ...  Hmmm... How about transcendant?
> 
> Yeah.  I like that.  "A transcendant experience" I once had.  Meaning one
> where I was lifted out of my usual context.
> 
> How does that feel?
> 
> John the word helper
> 
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:51 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I've been feeling extremely uncomfortable about having used the expression
>> 'religious experience.'  I think I will revise the expression to 'very
>> extreme
>> psychological experience.'
>> 
>> There, that feels better.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:44 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> I'm not working attached to a particular tradition so I don't have a set
>> pattern
>>> of words to reference.  To explain an unpatterned experience seems
>> impossible,
>>> too simple for words.   I love words, though, and this morning I woke up
>> with a
>>> book title, more a variation, on my mind:  the incredible lightness of
>> being.  I
>>> suppose it reflects a 'religious' experience I once had.  I thought it
>> was just
>>> marijuana given to me by a friend of my husband's, but it was much, much
>>> more.  I can appreciate a trinity, but in the end it falls away as not
>> this, not
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:00 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>> 
>>>> See, the problem to my thinking is that in direct and immediate
>> awareness of
>>>> the moment, there are those three entities as experiential fundaments of
>> my
>>>> being.
>>>> 
>>>> Value sensibility or awareness
>>>> 
>>>> Other
>>>> 
>>>> Valuation or Quality
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ANYthing else that is posited as "preconceptual" or whatever
>> intellectual
>>>> constructs designed to persuade of non-intellectual construction, are
>>>> differing dreams and ideas of men, with differing utility to differing
>>>> individuals.  They can only be taken as important as their relative
>>>> construction of meanings construe.  And positing one particular idea,
>> the
>>>> idea of "preconceptual" as absolute seems to my thinking the least
>>>> ultilitarian and helpful construction as I can imagine.  It's basically
>> a
>>>> moronist view of meaning arising from randomness rather than a playful
>>>> interaction of different players, "I", "Other" and "Valuation"
>>>> 
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>>> 
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