[MD] Buddhism's s/o

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Mary <marysonthego at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My question centers around the nature of belief.  How do we become
> convinced?  What is necessary to achieve the state of being convinced of
> anything?  It seems much easier to convince a child of anything than to
> convince an adult.
>
> Following on this, I think beliefs are some kind of "static pattern of
> value" we all absorb.  If you become (by whatever means) convinced of
> proposition A, then later someone tries to persuade you of proposition B,
> and B is opposed to A so that you can't logically believe both A and B at
> the same time, I think it will be harder to convince you of B than it would
> have been had you not previously been convinced of A.
>
> What you believe first has more value to you than what people try to
> convince you of later.

Dan:
Exactly. Even after Robert Pirsig writes two books postulating that
rather than subjects and objects being primary to intellect, patterns
of value are primary, many, many people will not believe. You seem
convinced otherwise. Bo is, too. So's Platt. Marsha? I don't know. I
think she's starting to see the cracks in Bo's SOL. I guess most
people are so entrenched in the primacy of subject/object thinking
that they'll resort to ridiculous lengths to maintain the illusion.

I am not being mean-spirited when I say Bo's SOM as Quality's
intellect doesn't make sense in the context of the MOQ. I am stating a
fact. And if others choose to believe in nonsense I can't stop them.
No one can. You say you want an example of some "thing" that's not a
subject or object yet you're convinced subjects and objects are all
there is. Do you see the problem?

>Mary:
> Most - no - all human disagreement arises from differing fundamental
> beliefs.

Dan:
Disagreements drive the evolution of intellect.

>Mary:
> Beliefs are static and difficult to overcome - so be careful what you choose
> to convince your children of.

Dan:
Children grow up. If we teach them well, they'll do good. We have to
trust in that... right?

Thank you,

Dan