[MD] e: Reading & Comprehension

[MarshaV]

Arlo,

Your game, 
your rules,  
your cleverness,
I'm bored...   

Marsha
 
 
 

On May 12, 2010, at 9:12 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

> [Marsha]
> I consider Bo correct in labeling the Intellectual Level SOM because
> Intellectual Static Patterns of Value are reified concepts and the rules for
> their manipulation. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Which is, of course, NOT SOM. At least not SOM in any way that Pirsig talked
> about it. In fact, this is simply a tautology. All levels are "reified" stable
> patterns of preference. This does not make them "SOM".
> 
> [Marsha]
> Intellectual patterns create false boundaries, giving the illusion of
> independence, or 'thingness'. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Intellectual patterns create boundaries, yes. Those boundaries that envelop the
> "subject-object" primacy are those that are SOM. Those that do not, are not.
> SOM is, to restate the above, those particular patterns which do not understand
> the "illusion". 
> 
> [Marsha]
> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level where the subjective is
> supposedly stripped from the experience. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> No. The fourth level is stable patterns of preference involving the
> manipulation of symbolically encoded experience. The "subject is supposedly
> stripped" only in SOM. The MOQ is an intellectual pattern that does not make
> this mistake (giving primacy to a subject-object dualism).
> 
> [Marsha]
> We're all peddling in a s/o format, so why the shock? 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Well, as I said several times, it makes the central conflict of ZMM
> meaningless, since intellect was always, and is always, SOM. As I said, this
> steps up the morass of needing to say that "intellect" is something to be
> overcome or "transcended". 
> 
> [Marsha]
> The point of ZMM and LILA is, in my opinion, to point to what is beyond SOM.
> 
> [Arlo]
> The point of ZMM and LILA is to expand rationality, not condemn it forever in
> an SOM prison. The Sophists were not peddling SOM, they were advancing an
> intellectual foundation that was decisively non-SOM! That was the conflict in
> ZMM. Aristotle was pushing something else, and this is what Pirsig uncovered in
> ZMM.
> 
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