[MD] e: Reading & Comprehension

[MarshaV]

Hi Ian, 


Well, I didn't miss him associating my ideas with a circus.  

The Intellectual Level is comprised of intellectual patterns as SOM 
that represent reified concepts and the rules for their manipulation.  
Intellectual patterns create false boundaries, giving the illusion of 
independence, or thingness.  This fourth level represents a formalized 
subject/object level where the subjective is supposedly stripped from 
the experience to reveal an objective truth. 

And too, I stated to Arlo that his use of 'intellect' rather than I-spovs was 
causing me confusion.  He ignored my problem.   
 


Marsha 

 
 
 
 
 
 
  


On May 16, 2010, at 1:45 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:

> Are you weird, Marsha ? Not to me. Beautifully human.
> 
> That "NATURE is intellect" was preceded by the clause "IF intellect is
> SOM ...then .. " is an example of something you may have missed ? Arlo
> wasn't asserting anything forecfuly at all.
> 
> Ian
> 
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:25 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ian,
>> 
>> I'm not sure how I responded to is "NATURE is intellect", but 'nature' is
>> a static pattern of value, not an absolute.  No matter how forceful he
>> states it, I'm not going to take anything as a given until I consider it
>> fully.  I was discussing a level of patterns, and I had the feeling he was
>> discussing 'thinking'.  There is something in the way he uses the
>> word 'intellect' that makes me think it's about thinking in general.
>> 
>> One can look at all patterns as 'conceptions', or one can look at
>> what patterns represent, their category or function.  I can all too
>> easily toss it all off to conceptual vapor, and go chop wood.  But I'm
>> curious to thoroughly understand how it works.  If I can.  It is not
>> unimportant to the way lives are lived.
>> 
>> Am I weird?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 16, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>> 
>>> Arlo, Marsha,
>>> 
>>> Marsha, is your problem reacting to Arlo saying this is how it is -
>>> the insulting schoolmasterly impression - because you are missing that
>>> his sentences start with IF ?
>>> 
>>> Just logical consequences of the statements of others.
>>> 
>>> Ian
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
>>>> [Marsha]
>>>> The
>>>> lament
>>>> is
>>>> based
>>>> on
>>>> a
>>>> misconception:
>>>> that
>>>> entities (self & object)
>>>> exist
>>>> independently.
>>>> 
>>>> [Arlo]
>>>> Which is... TAADAA!.. SOM! If ALL intellectual patterns are SOM, this is NOT
>>>> a misconception, it is the NATURE of intellect.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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