[MD] the sophists

[John Carl]

well, I so seldom venture into the "deep end" but I couldn't help asking
this question..

Bodvar to dmb:
> You skipped my points that "teaching quality itself" is plain impossible
> (for Heaven's sake DQ is indefinable and hence unteachable) except learning
> about it as the DQ/SQ dualism form, but THAT could only be realized after
> the static hierarchy was completed.
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> dmb says:
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> Like i said already, the classroom scenes within ZAMM in particular and
> both of Pirsig's books in general show quite clearly what it looks like to
> teach DQ. These are huge counter examples to your claim that Quality can't
> be taught.




John queries:

but doesn't bo have a point in that one thing these passages are exactly
pointing out that Quality can't be "taught"?  You know, regulated to rules
and rigidization?

Since the heart of the teaching was that some things can't be taught, I t'ot
I saw bo's point.

tautological. of course.  but then, what isn't.






> These example are so obvious and so large that no fancy argument is needed.
> Teaching Quality is just a matte of getting people to notice what they
> always already knew from experience.
>
>
Yeah, in other words, what they don't need to be taught.

yer out of a job, perfessor



> Sorry, nothing personal. I just think your theory has no merit. Sadly, I
> think it actually PREVENTS people from understanding the MOQ.
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>
ooo!  Capital letters!!

I really believe you when you capitalize.

And MYSELF when I exclaim!


John the sardonic interruptor