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Bodvar:
OK this is me not Platt, but subjects and objects - along with all S/O 
dualisms - came to pass with the Greeks. Isn't it possible to get this 
ESSENTIAL message into your head? (ZAMM 382) 

    What is essential to understand at this point is that until now 
    there was no such thing as mind and matter, subject and 
    object, form and substance. Those divisions are just dialectical 
    inventions that came later. The modern mind sometimes tends 
    to balk at the thought of these dichotomies being inventions 
    and says, ``Well, the divisions were there for the Greeks to 
    discover,'' and you have to say, ``Where were they? Point to 
    them!'' And the modern mind gets a little confused and 
    wonders what this is all about anyway, and still believes the 
    divisions were there. But they weren't, as Phædrus said. They 
    are just ghosts, immortal gods of the modern mythos which 
    appear to us to be real because we are in that mythos. But in 
    reality they are just as much an artistic creation as the 
    anthropomorphic Gods they replaced.  

Ron:
This passage illustrates the concept that the s/o distinction
is an intellectual invention, just like Gods, ghosts and myths.
S/O appears to be real but it is'nt it's just as made up as
the Gods it replaces.
You and Mary maintain that S/O was there for the greeks to discover
just as MoQ was there for Pirsig to discover. 

This Quote contradicts that assertion. 

Just an fyi





















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