[MD] Reading & Comprehension

[John Carl]

Bo the non-boddhisatva,

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:03 AM, <skutvik at online.no> wrote:

My worry - and why I fight the Buchanan faction - is that intellect's
> control of society  can't be carried out if the MOQ is allowed into the
> intellectual level. The MOQ can't control social value, only the level
> that is "out of society", namely  intellect can do that.



By objectifying social patterns, you're saying.

 It makes sense, to a point.  But I can't go all the way with you Bo.

I am fully convinced the MoQ CAN control social patterns at least as well as
SOM, and to my perspective, much better.  Mainly because SOM has no grasp of
how to reach DQ.  It just trusts in sq and hopes for revelation of some
kind.  MoQ actually presents a framework for teaching how to have a DQ
realization, recognizing it when it occurs, and assigning appropriate value
to the realization in light of levels analysis.

But technically speaking, all intellectual control of social patterns is
done through other social patterns.  In other words, only social patterns
control social pattern.  Intellect guides the decision making when social
patterns are considering which way to go in their control options, but
intellect formed operating out of  SOM is much, much worse than intellect in
a MoQ context at doing this.

The fact that the MoQ is NOT guiding intellect which is guiding social
patterns, is a big reason why the world is in the mess it is today.  But if
the MoQ were not pragmatically superior to SOM, I wouldn't be here.



> This making
> intellect the home of the MOQ destroys intellect and may lead to the
> same situation described in LILA page 312)  but now with intellectual
> deterioration the issue
>
>

The MoQ is the home of intellect, not the other way around and I think
everybody would agree with this statement.  So I'm not sure why you assert
otherwise.




>    It's this intellectual pattern of amoral 'objectivity' that is to
>    blame for the social deterioration of America, because it has
>    undermined the static social values necessary to prevent
>    deterioration. In its condemnation of social repression as the
>    enemy of liberty, it has never come forth with a single moral
>    principle that distinguishes a Galileo fighting social repression
>    from a common criminal fighting social repression. It has, as a
>    result, been the champion of both. That's the root of the
>    problem.
>
> Bodvar
>
>
Succinctly put, the root of the problem is mistaking sq for DQ.

Hey?  'nother aphorism maybe?  It rings true, even according to the old
wisdom.

"Love of money is the root of all evil".
"The root of all  evil is mistaking sq for DQ."

Same formulation, different terms.

John

PS:  I hope you appreciate RMP's words on Art and the MoQ as much as I did,
Bo, and kudos to Mary for posting!