[MD] loopty-loop

[plattholden at gmail.com]

Hi Marsha,

Hofstadter is an S/O materialist of the first order who is fixated on the 
objective human brain as the sole source of the subjective "I." You instincts 
are correct, not only about Hofstadter but also Arlo's mean-spirited "baloney." 

Platt


On 31 May 2010 at 17:50, MarshaV wrote:


Arlo,

I haven't finished the book, but it sounds very much like Hosftdater 
has the brain defined as a thing-in-itself.  He seems to be some kind 
of materialist.  But I could be wrong.  The rest of you post deals in 
baloney.  


Marsha



On May 31, 2010, at 5:14 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

> [Marsha]
> There was no indication that I applied anything like an evil label on
> Hofstadter.
> 
> [Arlo]
> No, that's Platt's big-bad academic nonsense, but Hosftadter is about as
> non-SOM as you can get. This is NOT Pirsig v. The World, by the way, there are
> others who's non-SOM ideas can help expand rationality the way Pirsig intended.
> 
> [Marsha]
> You might ask yourself where such nonsensical labeling is coming from.  It is
> your applied patterning, not mine.   
> 
> [Arlo]
> "SOM" has become a ridiculous dismissive technique by the SOL jockeys. This is
> so obvious it hardly merits mentioning, except that here the attempt is against
> someone whose un-SOM thinking could actually compliment Pirsig, strengthen his
> ideas, is subjected to this. Platt's bias, of course, comes from his attempt to
> theologize the MOQ, you, I think, are just blinded by staring at the one SOM
> tree and calling it the forest. You have extreme tunnel vision, and it does not
> serve you well.
> 
> 
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