[MD] Intellectual Level

[MarshaV]

Hi Mark,

The boundary of the Intellectual Level is beyond my experience.  I have 
been exposed to some intellectual patterns, but not all, and I have no 
interest in deciding which pattern goes in what bucket.  I am more interested 
in determining the nature of all patterns: ever-changing, interdependent and 
impermanent.   



Marsha  


On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:10 PM, 118 wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> 
> My writing may sometimes not be clear.  I was opening the discussion as to
> what are the boundaries of the intellectual level.  Everybody seems to have
> a different understanding, and then there's dmb.  What are the boundaries?
> 
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:28 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Greetings Mark,
>> 
>> Not sure I've understood your question correctly, but I understand
>> intellectual
>> patterns of value to be a process of moving away from social restraint and
>> a
>> away from an external unknown.
>> 
>> Any discussion will be limited as I am allowed to write only two posts per
>> day
>> on my interpretation of the Intellectual Level because it has the level as
>> being
>> based on an understanding that reality is equal to self and  external
>> objects (SOM).
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:56 AM, 118 wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsh,
>>> I like this, a process approach.  Defining though interaction and
>>> congealment.
>>> 
>>> I would pose the following for discussion, which would be more of a
>> boundary
>>> approach.  That is, what is it that is forming the intellectual level
>> from
>>> the outside?  This would be similar to defining a lake by its boundaries
>>> instead of by the cohesive interaction of water molecules through
>> hydrogen
>>> bonding and other principles.  Such an approach can also be taken in
>>> descriptions of evolution.  That is, defining the morphology of species,
>> not
>>> by the expression of DNA itself, but by looking at the environmental
>> factors
>>> which control such expression.
>>> 
>>> So, one approach as you put is to describe the process of abstract
>> concept
>>> manipulation.  The other approach would be to describe something like
>> Group
>>> Consciousness (like Carl Jung), that provides boundaries for the
>> expression
>>> of the intellectual level.  Of course such boundaries can have grey
>> areas,
>>> and are up to interpretation.  So, my question, is what do you see the
>>> intellectual level filling (for lack of a better word)?
>>> 
>>> This is not a trick or leading question, since I do not have a ready
>>> comeback.  I am simply opening it up for discussion.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:35 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> 
>>>> My understanding/interpretation of the Intellectual Level is based on
>>>> reification. The fourth level is comprised of static patterns of value
>> such
>>>> as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these
>>>> patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their
>> rational
>>>> analysis and manipulation.  Reification decontextualizes...
>> Intellectual
>>>> patterns process from a subject/object point-of-view creating false
>>>> boundaries that give the concept an illusion  of having independence as
>> a
>>>> “thing” or an “object of analysis.”  The fourth level is a formalized
>>>> subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational,
>>>> objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity
>> like
>>>> emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study
>> and
>>>> research in an unbiased and rational manner.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
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