[MD] Intellectual Level

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Hi Marsha,

My writing may sometimes not be clear.  I was opening the discussion as to
what are the boundaries of the intellectual level.  Everybody seems to have
a different understanding, and then there's dmb.  What are the boundaries?

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:28 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> Greetings Mark,
>
> Not sure I've understood your question correctly, but I understand
> intellectual
> patterns of value to be a process of moving away from social restraint and
> a
> away from an external unknown.
>
> Any discussion will be limited as I am allowed to write only two posts per
> day
> on my interpretation of the Intellectual Level because it has the level as
> being
> based on an understanding that reality is equal to self and  external
> objects (SOM).
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:56 AM, 118 wrote:
>
> > Hi Marsh,
> > I like this, a process approach.  Defining though interaction and
> > congealment.
> >
> > I would pose the following for discussion, which would be more of a
> boundary
> > approach.  That is, what is it that is forming the intellectual level
> from
> > the outside?  This would be similar to defining a lake by its boundaries
> > instead of by the cohesive interaction of water molecules through
> hydrogen
> > bonding and other principles.  Such an approach can also be taken in
> > descriptions of evolution.  That is, defining the morphology of species,
> not
> > by the expression of DNA itself, but by looking at the environmental
> factors
> > which control such expression.
> >
> > So, one approach as you put is to describe the process of abstract
> concept
> > manipulation.  The other approach would be to describe something like
> Group
> > Consciousness (like Carl Jung), that provides boundaries for the
> expression
> > of the intellectual level.  Of course such boundaries can have grey
> areas,
> > and are up to interpretation.  So, my question, is what do you see the
> > intellectual level filling (for lack of a better word)?
> >
> > This is not a trick or leading question, since I do not have a ready
> > comeback.  I am simply opening it up for discussion.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mark
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:35 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> My understanding/interpretation of the Intellectual Level is based on
> >> reification. The fourth level is comprised of static patterns of value
> such
> >> as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these
> >> patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their
> rational
> >> analysis and manipulation.  Reification decontextualizes...
>  Intellectual
> >> patterns process from a subject/object point-of-view creating false
> >> boundaries that give the concept an illusion  of having independence as
> a
> >> “thing” or an “object of analysis.”  The fourth level is a formalized
> >> subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational,
> >> objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity
> like
> >> emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study
> and
> >> research in an unbiased and rational manner.
> >>
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
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