[MD] Intellectual Level

[MarshaV]

Greetings Mark,

Not sure I've understood your question correctly, but I understand intellectual 
patterns of value to be a process of moving away from social restraint and a 
away from an external unknown.   

Any discussion will be limited as I am allowed to write only two posts per day 
on my interpretation of the Intellectual Level because it has the level as being 
based on an understanding that reality is equal to self and  external objects (SOM).   


Marsha 



On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:56 AM, 118 wrote:

> Hi Marsh,
> I like this, a process approach.  Defining though interaction and
> congealment.
> 
> I would pose the following for discussion, which would be more of a boundary
> approach.  That is, what is it that is forming the intellectual level from
> the outside?  This would be similar to defining a lake by its boundaries
> instead of by the cohesive interaction of water molecules through hydrogen
> bonding and other principles.  Such an approach can also be taken in
> descriptions of evolution.  That is, defining the morphology of species, not
> by the expression of DNA itself, but by looking at the environmental factors
> which control such expression.
> 
> So, one approach as you put is to describe the process of abstract concept
> manipulation.  The other approach would be to describe something like Group
> Consciousness (like Carl Jung), that provides boundaries for the expression
> of the intellectual level.  Of course such boundaries can have grey areas,
> and are up to interpretation.  So, my question, is what do you see the
> intellectual level filling (for lack of a better word)?
> 
> This is not a trick or leading question, since I do not have a ready
> comeback.  I am simply opening it up for discussion.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:35 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> My understanding/interpretation of the Intellectual Level is based on
>> reification. The fourth level is comprised of static patterns of value such
>> as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these
>> patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational
>> analysis and manipulation.  Reification decontextualizes...  Intellectual
>> patterns process from a subject/object point-of-view creating false
>> boundaries that give the concept an illusion  of having independence as a
>> “thing” or an “object of analysis.”  The fourth level is a formalized
>> subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational,
>> objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity like
>> emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study and
>> research in an unbiased and rational manner.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
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