[MD] Betternes - 4 levels of!

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Hi dmb,
I do my best to not delete the necessary.  Many of my posts are being
rejected for length.  The rejection states that the post is greater than
10Kb.  I am not sure how many characters that is.  In fact, this latest post
we are discussing may have been one of them.  So, there was no evil intent
there.  Are you experiencing this rejection at the hub?

My point was that static representations destroy the notion of God, this is
what is taught by those who understand.  I believe there is the same
principle with dynamic quality.  Yes, religion is static as a concept, its
personal interpretation is dynamic for many.  Once satisfied, it becomes
static and is found in the background of thought as a principle or premise.

I agree with what you have to say about a mystical experience, at least that
is my experience.

Mark

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:36 AM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Mark said to dmb:
> ...And the quote you provided supports my contention.  Yes, static
> representations destroy Theism.  I have stated this before.  The paragraph
> is towards religion, I have said that as well.  The cat and dog metaphor is
> exactly what is going on here, and this is supposed to be philosophy not
> priesthood.  Are you disturbed by my presence here, unpredictable and
> uncontrollable?  Are you a bishop of some kind?  You are subscribing to
> static interpretations of MOQ, not me.  I wonder why you used that quote.
>
>
>
> dmb says:
>
> And I wonder why you always delete that quote from your responses to it. If
> you're disputing it and asking questions about it, why remove it? Are we
> trying to determine what Pirsig thinks or not? So why do Pirsig's comments
> disappear from your posts? That is no way to conduct an open and honest
> conversation about the MOQ. This is not dogmatism. It's just common sense
> and good manners.
>
> And no, static representations do not DESTROY religion. Religion IS a
> static representation. Rituals are nothing if not static. Institutions are
> nothing if they're not static. How can there be any kind of ism without
> static patterns? The philosophical picture known as the MOQ can't exist
> except as a set of static patterns. That's what metaphysics must be or there
> isn't any metaphysics. But the term "Dynamic Quality" refers to experience
> itself, not a thing or an idea or a set of gestures or symbols that refer to
> it. I think what happens is that the mystic, because he knows this
> experience directly, sees THROUGH the rituals and symbols and metaphors. The
> static patterns of religion become transparent like glass and, as everyone
> know, window are for looking through and not for looking at. Instead of
> seeing the light that comes through the window, theists worship the glass.
> It's like trying to drink the faucet instead of the water. It's like eating
> the menu.
>
>
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