[MD] [Bulk] Re: Humanism

[MarshaV]

correction:

> That some things are better than other does not negate that truth is relative.  
> I've read a bunch of books on relativism. 




On Nov 14, 2010, at 9:10 AM, MarshaV wrote:

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>> [Arlo]
>>> You and Marsha are reaching new heights of absurdity lately. But this harkens
>>> back to what I had said to Bo, you can agree or disagree with Pirsig, you can
>>> say "Bob was wrong" and "Bob was right" and you can offer something you think
>>> is better. But what "view" of the MOQ do you think DMB has? What DMB does, and
>>> what Pirsig thanked him for in the DVD, is keeping the discussion honest about
>>> what Bob meant. 
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>> 
>> Marsha to Arlo:
>> Was my statement "I accept the MoQ rejects an absolute cultural relativism," 
>> absurd?  Or was my statement "but truth, static patterns of value, are relative, 
>> as Anthony states" absurd?  Is my having such an opinion absurd?  Or is your 
>> statement "You (Mark) and Marsha are reaching new heights of absurdity lately" 
>> absurd?  Or maybe you have a new bit of absurdity to offer?  Or possibly for you 
>> to think that your opinion is not absurd, is even more absurd?  How do you 
>> know?  What is your evidence?  How can you be sure?  May there possibly be 
>> another explanation?  
>> 
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>> 
>> Ron:
>> It has been the interpretation of the term "relative" and it's meaning
>> that is being disputed.
>> Relative, in philosophic discussions, commonly refered to pejorativly
>> as being synonomous with "subjective"
>> 
>> truth is subjective
>> 
>> I can understand the reasons why this is an uncomfortable statement.
>> Because there seems to be a base of truths that are un mistakeably
>> common to all. 
>> Some things are better than others, not just to me,  but to everyone,
>> and every living thing.
>> 
>> All meaning is derrived from it.
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> Marsha:
> That some things are better than other does not negate that truth is relative.  
> I've read a bunch of books on relativism.  That relativism is "an comfortable 
> statement" for some does not mean it is an uncomfortable position for all, 
> Buddhism for example.  Epistemological relativism represents truth, 
> conventional or static patterns of value, as relative to the individual making 
> an evaluation, by his biological apparatuses, by his static pattern history and
> by interaction with dynamic quality.  This is what is meant by Protagoras' 
> statement "Man is the measure of all things; of things that are that they are, 
> and of things that are not that they are not."   imho   
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