[MD] [Bulk] Re: Humanism

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

The hights of absurdity,...

Indeed very strange, Arlo.
I was looking into the archives, to make a long term snapshot of the
previous
history,and i cannot find anything back that is pointing out towards
constructive behaviour in Mark's case.

Probably his stirring-up actions are launched to cover up the fact that
he has no memory for what he was writing here earlier.
He has enourmous gaps in his rememberance.Probably partially due to the
side effects of Haldol and Risperdone.

Probably he thinks its funny to brutalise Dan away, and DMB, but he is
clearly
working with the use of material that is handed over to him in the
background.
The guy is promoted in, guided in, and cherised of stage,to use him as a
tool.

Every interference is de-constructive, braking the waves, exploiting other's
opinions in the absence of his own opinion.


Arlo/Mark
[Mark]
He can quote Pirsig all he wants, it is meaningless to this discussion.

[Arlo]
Its meaningless to provide Pirsig's words in a forum about Pirsig's ideas?
Please. The only reason I can see this bothering you is that you *want* the
MOQ
to mean something and when Bob said something to the contrary it annoys you
that DMB brings it up to clarify Pirsig's position.

What other discussion group about a philosopher do you know where quoting
the
philosopher is attacked?

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Yes , i have the same question , really , Arlo,Is it meaningless to provide
Pirsig's words in a forum about Pirsig's idea's?

Once one starts questioning himself this kind of questions, something is
really
very , very wrong here.

Will this sadness ever end , Arlo?

greetz, Adrie





2010/11/14 ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu>

> [Mark]
> dmb has no interest in discussing MOQ with any that have views other than
> his
> own.
>
> [Arlo]
> You and Marsha are reaching new heights of absurdity lately. But this
> harkens
> back to what I had said to Bo, you can agree or disagree with Pirsig, you
> can
> say "Bob was wrong" and "Bob was right" and you can offer something you
> think
> is better. But what "view" of the MOQ do you think DMB has? What DMB does,
> and
> what Pirsig thanked him for in the DVD, is keeping the discussion honest
> about
> what Bob meant.
>
> So disagree with Bob or DMB all you want, point out where you think they
> are
> wrong, and what you think is better. This is how evolution of ideas occur.
> But
> to conflate this into "views" is ridiculous.
>
> It appears from the bulk of your posts you take exception to Pirsig's
> comments
> on theism. You are not the first. In the years I've belonged to the list
> there
> have been a steady stream of religious apologists who have either tried to
> "prove" the MOQ is a religion, or that religion someone sits above reason,
> or
> that we should dismiss anything Pirsig said about religion and embrace a
> Christian MOQ. And, since DMB agrees with Pirsig on this topic, this has
> your
> ire and so everything DMB says you attack with inane retorts.
>
> [Mark]
> He can quote Pirsig all he wants, it is meaningless to this discussion.
>
> [Arlo]
> Its meaningless to provide Pirsig's words in a forum about Pirsig's ideas?
> Please. The only reason I can see this bothering you is that you *want* the
> MOQ
> to mean something and when Bob said something to the contrary it annoys you
> that DMB brings it up to clarify Pirsig's position.
>
> What other discussion group about a philosopher do you know where quoting
> the
> philosopher is attacked?
>
> [Mark]
> These kids have a superficial notion of things and it is the internet which
> has
> done that.
>
> [Arlo]
> I think more perverse is the notion that every post should reinvent the
> wheel.
> As for the MOQ *and* philosophy, DMB demonstrates a far greater depth of
> understanding and contextual knowledge than I've seen most anyone else here
> contribute. Is it this authority that threatens you?
>
> [Mark]
> The old guard is stuck, no more gumption, stuck.
>
> [Arlo]
> Not at all. The "old guard" is, however, likely tired of fending off the
> perennial inanity beset by theist apologists and "anti-intellectuals" who
> try
> to twist the MOQ into anything and everything except what Pirsig wrote.
>
> If you think the old guard is stuck, praytell, what do YOU offer that's
> better?
> Where do you differ with Pirsig, and what better do you offer instead?
>
> [Mark]
> At least Dan seems to have dropped out.  Maybe dmb will get tired of my
> questions.
>
> [Arlo]
> Right. Take the people with the best understand of Pirsig's works, drain
> there
> will with ceaseless attacks, and the cheer when they get fed up and stop
> interacting with you.
>
> I'm not sure why you think this is a good strategy for learning about what
> Pirsig wrote, but its very telling.
>
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