[MD] [Bulk] Re: Humanism

[MarshaV]

On Nov 14, 2010, at 7:24 PM, 118 wrote:

>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Finally, we have the translation by Wallace, which he goes on to explain
>> in
>>> his own words.  As such, it is difficult to really know what Buddha was
>>> thinking or trying to say.  Needless to say, translations such as found
>> in
>>> the Bible are to be expected since a philosophy or religion must be
>>> pertinent to the vernacular or understanding of the time.  The underlying
>>> awareness may remain constant, but the thoughts and words are always
>>> changing.
>>> 
>>> The use of emptiness is a good one.  The sole arising of emptiness can be
>>> questioned and interpreted in its absoluteness.
>>> 
>>> I know less than you,
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> There is nothing to know and no one to know it.  Who knows less?
>> 
>> Within the radical experience, the meditative state, the direct NOW, there
>> is
>> no right, no wrong, no intellectual competence, no translations, no claims,
>> no divine one, no opinion, no people, no preaching, no words, no
>> interpretation,
>> no philosophy, no religion too, no me, no you, and no Buddha.
>> 
>> If you do not like B. Alan Wallace's words, that's okay.  I doubt that he
>> will be
>> upset, but I don't know for sure.
>> 
>> 
>> [Mark]
>> 
> It seems we have a different interpretation of knowing.  


I did state I was talking of experience within a meditative state.  


> For me it is coming to agreement with oneself as to the nature of things.  
> Often this come from agreeing with others since two brains may provide
> more than one.  One can know something and then change their minds
> and know something else.  Such is the nature of man.

This speaks to how to function conventionally.  I do obey the traffic laws, and 
agree that the sun comes up in the morning. ;-)   


> Your sense of knowing seems a bit more mystical and as such cannot really be
> discussed.  What more is there to knowing than realizing and accepting?  I
> am open to other definitions of knowing.  Mine takes places within the
> brain, and is fed by that which lies behind and beyond.

My way of knowing seems to take place in the mind/consciousness. 


> I have not problem with Wallace.  It always takes me a while to warm to
> someone.  This is my problem not his.
> 
> Hey, since you liked my last two music selections and seem to have an open
> mind for these things.  A group that I have listened to for years is called
> Rachels.  They have been in deep hibernation for a while now.  Their last 3
> albums were good.  The Sea and The Bells was an interpretation of Naruda's
> poems.  Some may be on youtube, I have the albums.  Stay away from their
> collaboration with Matmos.  The song Water From the Same Source is one of
> the more accessible of theirs.  Could be Yo-yo Ma, but it's not.  Check that
> one out.

I'll check them out.  Thanks. 

> 
> Mark

Marsha  
 
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