[MD] Betterness - 4 levels of!

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Mark,
sorry, I must have missed this one,
Tim

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:29:54 -0800, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> said:
> Hi Tim,
> Any path must provide some kind of reasoning.  Any leading would result
> if
> we agree with such reasoning.  So don't worry about that.  The purpose of
> metaphysics is indeed to create a structure of understanding.  As Pirsig
> rightly says, such structure cannot encompass the whole and may be
> misleading to some.  The structure does provide something to discuss. 
> One
> can enter into the world of spirituality where things must be felt rather
> than objectivized.  Even such a path requires structure.  So, yes, words
> do
> have a way of diminishing.  This is only true however, if the words are
> seen
> as the object itself.  There are ways of describing a beautiful painting
> which does not mean the painting is the words.  This is accepted.  The
> same
> thing can be accepted in metaphysics.  Words are descriptions to convey a
> personal understanding.  They cannot be more than that.  If such personal
> understanding is agreed upon by many it becomes known as truth.  It is
> here
> we must not go.
> 
> I fully understand Pirsig's difficulty with metaphysics.  Every
> metaphysician recognizes this.  Keeping it simple is one solution, but
> that
> has its limits in terms of growth and mainstreaming the concept.  Math is
> just an adventure, it does not create reality but gives ways of
> conversing
> about it.
> 
> > [Tim]
> >
> > [Tim]
> > Again, I am focusing on the HOW?  So yes, "how these two interact..."
> > indeed!
> >
> 
> [Mark]
> One approach I have considered is to take Quality out of the equation. 
> In
> physics this is also done when Reality is taken out of the equation.  For
> example when describing the equality of energy and matter as Einstein
> does,
> he is not concerned with reality, but only how energy and matter equate
> within in it.  Einstein does not propose how energy becomes matter, he
> just
> states that it is possible.
> 
> If we assume that dynamic and static quality are the same thing (Quality)
> but interchange in appearance to us humans, a similar approach to
> Einstein's
> could be envisioned.  That is, that there are equations that relate the
> two.
>  These equations must be formed with concepts which are not as well
>  defined
> as energy or the speed of light squared (a constant), but can be done.  I
> am
> still working on that based on what I read in these posts.  Perhaps I
> will
> look like an idiot to others with my attempts.  So be it, I am willing to
> take that chance just to get feedback.
> 
> Mark
> 
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