[MD] a-theism and atheism

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:08 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dan
>
> Hi Dan:
>>
>
>
>>  Dan:
>>
>> Anti-theism requires more than a disbelief in God or gods (atheism).
>> It requires first, a belief that theism is harmful to society and
>> culture and second, that theism should be controverted in order to
>> eliminate the harm it does. It seems clear (to me) that that is what
>> Robert Pirsig is on about in the Copleston annotations, as well as
>> Verne Dusenberry in his doctoral thesis The Montana Cree: A Study in
>> Religious Persistence. So, it is possible for a religious person to be
>> anti-theistic in the sense that they realize the harm done by the
>> superimposition of one religion over another.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
> [Mark]
> Dan, I will have to respectively point out that you are talking about
> religion, not theism.  If you want to be anti-religion that is fine.  Theism
> is a personal belief in a God.  If MOQ claims to be anti-religious
> establishment, that is fine.  However, please note that there are many
> religions, and those which claim a creator are also many.  So, if MOQ is
> anti-Hindu, or anti-Veda, or anti-American Indian, or anti-Christianity,
> then it should be stated.

Hi Mark

I have no idea where you're getting this. Have you read The Montana
Cree? It is all about the persistence of religion in the face of a
dominating culture. Please re-read my post.

>
> If you are intent on blaming Theism for the ills of humanity, then you are
> somewhat misguided.  You should be directing your anger at politics.

Dan:

What anger?

>  Hopefully MOQ is apolitical, but this stance you profess against religion
> does not support such a notion.   In addition if you believe that Quality
> has no personal relationship with you, as is thought in theism, then you
> have missed the point of Quality.  Quality is a monistic guide, if you can't
> consider that in a personal way, then you will always be dealing with
> Quality at arms length, as some kind of philosophical premise rather than a
> reality.  If you somehow feel separated from Quality then you need to think
> about it some more.

Dan:

I have no idea what you trying to say, Mark. You seem upset. Perhaps
you need to check your meds.

Dan