[MD] pre-intellectual experience

[Matt Kundert]

Marsha said:
Matt's essay is very well written and full of interesting questions, but 
what can you say to someone who doesn't want to use the 
introspective techniques designed to investigate this for himself???

Matt:
I guess this person doesn't understand how he _isn't_ investigating 
things for himself (he's not really sure who else would be pulling the 
levers of his mind).  I guess this person wasn't aware that there 
were special "introspective techniques" available that he was 
neglecting.  He wasn't aware that he had been doing anything other 
than inspecting things from his own mind, in his own mind, 
introspectively as it were.  He wasn't aware that there was a test he 
had to pass before he would be deemed a free thinker whose mind 
wasn't being controlled by others.

I guess this person doesn't understand what the difference is 
between being told about introspective techniques and being told 
anything else: either way, one takes whatever one is told and 
applies themself.

What can you say to someone who doesn't want to use the 
techniques that you've found helpful?  That sounds like the real 
problem.

Matt

> > Mark:
> > There has been discussion concerning the pre-intellectual experience, and I
> > reread the essay which Matt Kundert provides on his website concerning the
> > separation of DQ and SQ (
> > http://pirsigaffliction.blogspot.com/2006/04/dynamic-quality-as-pre-intellectual.html
> > ),
> > which was recently referred to in MOQ discuss.  Matt does his best to
> > outline the problem, and I found the essay instructive.
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Matt's essay is very well written and full of interesting questions, but what can you 
> say to someone who doesn't want to use the introspective techniques designed to 
> investigate this for himself???    
> 
> Marsha