[MD] Ah-ha Qua Ah-ha

[MarshaV]

Mark,

I do think of pattern as a process of repetition rather than 
a thing-in-itself like a model.  


Marsha 



On Nov 27, 2010, at 3:44 AM, MarshaV wrote:

> 
> On Nov 26, 2010, at 8:16 PM, 118 wrote:
> 
>> [Mark]
>> To use your terminology, patterns are created.  
> 
> Marsha:
> To use my terminology, patterns are interdependent.  
> 
> 
>> [Mark]
>> There can be no unpatterned since this would suppose something
>> before it exists.  
> 
> Marsha:
> I had experiences of unpatterned awareness.  -  If static patterns of 
> value are interdependent, your supposition makes no sense.  
> 
> 
>> [Mark]
>> Patterns cannot change or you could not call them patterns.  
> 
> Marsha:
> Static patterns of value are processes/events; they are ever-changing,
> interdependent and impermanent.   Patterns exists as process.   That 
> process includes habits of thought.   
> 
> 
>> [Mark]
>> We cannot interact with patterns, only create them.  
> 
> Marsha:
> By 'we' are you asking about a group of  imaginary "autonomous little 
> homunculi?."  Patterns are ever-changing, interdependent, impermanent
> conceptual constructs.  
> 
> 
>> [Mark]
>> Your use of patterns seems to contradict itself.  This is why I asked for
>> another word.  Don't get me wrong, I am fine with contradictions
>> if that's how you want to present it.
> 
> Marsha:
> Contradicting common sense like superposition and entanglement?  It 
> may be time for a conceptual step or leap into a new paradigm.   
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 1:08 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> [Mark]
>>>> I understand that the mind makes patterns as it creates meaning from
>>>> what it experiences.  Is your patterning and unpatterning a function of
>>>> this process
>>> 
>>> [Marsha]
>>> There seems to be an interdependency between mind (consciousness)
>>> and patterns.  I have never stated that mind creates patterns.
>> 
>> [Mark]
>> Where do the patterns come from, then?  What is patterning them?
> 
> Patterns are not separate entities, they are ever-changing, 
> impermanent and interdependent.  My understanding has interdependence 
> extending out into infinity like a net of jewels.  Or has entanglement extending 
> back to the BigBang. Whatever flavor of analogy works for you.   
> 
> 
>>> [Marsha]
>>> What is your world view?
>> 
>> [Mark]
>> It is the same as yours.  Surprised?  I have been following your posts
>> carefully.
> 
> Baloney.  Do you have a Brooklyn Bridge you'd like to sell me too?     
> 
> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mark
> 
> 
> Cheerily,
> Marsha   
> 
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