[MD] Is this the inadequacy of the MOQ?
MarshaV
valkyr at att.net
Sun Nov 28 12:07:31 PST 2010
John,
Did you ever become conscious of someone watching you? There's many
such experiences of this sort I might ask you about? How would you relate
those instances to your use of language?
Marsha
On Nov 28, 2010, at 2:26 PM, John Carl wrote:
> Hi Marsha,
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:04 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> How do you know? What is your evidence? How can you be sure that
>> consciousness is nothing other than language?
>>
>>
>>
> Well, as all these things boil down to how you define them, I suppose it all
> depends on how you define consciousness, and how you define language. So
> since I'm obviously defining language as consciousness, then I don't need
> evidence so much as more explanation of what I mean by language.
>
> As I define it, language is codified information, and, as per my recent
> exchange with Adrie and his take on information, all of reality is
> information, consciousness is real, therefore, consciousness is information.
>
> As far as evidence goes, all of my experience is evidence that
> consciousness is language. The question I'd ask you is what evidence do you
> have of any consciousness that is not language? The line between
> consciousness and non-consciousness in MoQ terms, I'd put firmly in the
> divide between inorganic and biological. That is, dna has a language, which
> allows for a rudimentary processing of input from the environment into
> choices made in responding to that environment. Thus, when an amoeba shirks
> acid, it's "saying" in effect, "I don't like acid". An amoeba's language
> represents its consciousness of its environment.
>
>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> p.s. I didn't mean the word 'only' in a pejorative way, but in a 'nothing
>> other
>> than way'.
>>
>> "nothing other than" is kinda pejorative, but not in a mean-spirited way
> but a logically limiting way.
>
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