[MD] Is this the inadequacy of the MOQ?

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Hi Marsha,

This sounds like another one of your bait and switch traps.  In my opinion,
consciousness is presented to others as language.  It is used for
communication and in memory recall, ...and a few other things (phew, I'm
glad I put that weasel in there).  Much of our consciousness is already
formulated before the words are formed with our mouths or hands.

However, it is difficult to determine how deep that language actually goes
into our subconscious.  So, in effect, one could say, without being trapped,
that language goes all the way down.  Somebody looking at you could actually
be "hey, somebody is looking at me" in your subconscious.  Nobody knows what
consciousness knows.

Mark

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:07 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> John,
>
> Did you ever become conscious of someone watching you?  There's many
> such experiences of this sort I might ask you about?  How would you relate
> those instances to your use of language?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 2:26 PM, John Carl wrote:
>
> > Hi Marsha,
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:04 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> John,
> >>
> >> How do you know?  What is your evidence?  How can you be sure that
> >> consciousness is nothing other than language?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Well, as all these things boil down to how you define them, I suppose it
> all
> > depends on how you define consciousness, and how you define language.  So
> > since I'm obviously defining language as consciousness, then I don't need
> > evidence so much as more explanation of what I mean by language.
> >
> > As I define it, language is codified information, and, as per my recent
> > exchange with Adrie and his take on information, all of reality is
> > information, consciousness is real, therefore, consciousness is
> information.
> >
> > As far as evidence goes, all of  my experience is evidence that
> > consciousness is language.  The question I'd ask you is what evidence do
> you
> > have of any consciousness that is not language?  The line between
> > consciousness and non-consciousness  in MoQ terms, I'd put firmly in the
> > divide between inorganic and biological.  That is, dna has a language,
> which
> > allows for a rudimentary processing of input from the environment into
> > choices made in responding to that environment.  Thus, when an amoeba
> shirks
> > acid, it's "saying" in effect, "I don't like acid".  An amoeba's language
> > represents its consciousness of its environment.
> >
> >
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >> p.s.  I didn't mean the word 'only' in a pejorative way, but in a
> 'nothing
> >> other
> >> than way'.
> >>
> >> "nothing other than" is kinda pejorative, but not in a mean-spirited way
> > but a logically limiting way.
> >
>
>
>
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