[MD] Trust in Philosophy

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

Einstein was referring to spooky actions at a distance, entanglement
The supersymmetric universe.

2010/11/30 Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>

> BTW ... the two Einstein quotes alluded to ...
>
> "The communication problem is the illusion that it has occurred."
> "Communication is like a cat, you pull the tail at one end and it
> miaow's at the other, except their is no cat."
>
> Ian
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Ian Glendinning
> <ian.glendinning at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Matt, John,
> >
> > Trust can be built - extended / tested - by electronic communication
> > sure, but it needs some basis of trust outside the channel too. (I
> > often point out that the top layer of the W3C Semantic Web
> > architecture is "Trust" .... but that's just a record of trust
> > established - recognizable authority of the source of a packet, etc
> > ....)
> >
> > But to build real trust, I think you need to see into someone's eyes
> > (soul) every now and again. But I agree with your essential point more
> > communication is good, of any kind .... but the problem can be the
> > "illusion of communication".
> >
> > Misunderstanding motives is the biggest risk ... as a minimum people
> > accuse each other of not really trying to debate / agree, or worse.
> > (And human psychology is ALL about interpreting the motives of
> > others.)
> >
> > Anyway, me not trust you John ?
> > That's a bit strong surely - I was wary of one of your motives in one
> > exchange - but I don't feel like I don't trust you.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:11 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Well, I'm the opposite of you Matt.  I used to disagree but I've since
> >> changed my mind.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Matt Kundert <
> pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Dave used to suggest as much, and I used to agree.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> > Trust doesn't travel by email. Without trust there is no worthwhile
> >>> debate.
> >>> > You and Dave (and a few others) need to be in the same room with a
> >>> > pint of beer (or a poker in hand, maybe, knowing when to put the
> poker
> >>> > down).
> >>> >
> >>> > Ian
> >>>
> >>>
> >> John:
> >>
> >> Trust is built through communication and communication can flow just
> fine
> >> through this medium.  It was practically made for it.  In fact, in
> packet
> >> programming, "trusted host" has a very well understood meaning.    Any
> >> medium of communication has its shortcomings but these can always be
> dealt
> >> with if the motivation is there.
> >>
> >> It's interesting this comes from Ian, because even though he hasn't
> >> communicated much with me, I trust him because I appreciate his themes,
> >> memes and ideas.  However, he doesn't trust me for some reason so this
> issue
> >> is moot -  dialogue is  impossible if trust doesn't flow both ways.  In
> >> fact, I'd say it's easier to have a dialogue when there is equal
> distrust on
> >> both sides, than when one side is trusting and the other side is not. Me
> and
> >> dmb, for instance.   The rules for dialogue under the cloud of evidently
> >> bilateral distrust are easily understood and followed, but when the
> trust is
> >> unequal, there are no real basis for any common protocols at all.
> >>
> >> Yer tcp doesn't quite ip, so to speak.
> >>
> >> But then, what do I know, I'm just a troll.
> >>
> >> John
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