[MD] Trust in Philosophy

[Ian Glendinning]

In the second quote, he sure was.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:07 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Einstein was referring to spooky actions at a distance, entanglement
> The supersymmetric universe.
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> 2010/11/30 Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>
>
>> BTW ... the two Einstein quotes alluded to ...
>>
>> "The communication problem is the illusion that it has occurred."
>> "Communication is like a cat, you pull the tail at one end and it
>> miaow's at the other, except their is no cat."
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Ian Glendinning
>> <ian.glendinning at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Matt, John,
>> >
>> > Trust can be built - extended / tested - by electronic communication
>> > sure, but it needs some basis of trust outside the channel too. (I
>> > often point out that the top layer of the W3C Semantic Web
>> > architecture is "Trust" .... but that's just a record of trust
>> > established - recognizable authority of the source of a packet, etc
>> > ....)
>> >
>> > But to build real trust, I think you need to see into someone's eyes
>> > (soul) every now and again. But I agree with your essential point more
>> > communication is good, of any kind .... but the problem can be the
>> > "illusion of communication".
>> >
>> > Misunderstanding motives is the biggest risk ... as a minimum people
>> > accuse each other of not really trying to debate / agree, or worse.
>> > (And human psychology is ALL about interpreting the motives of
>> > others.)
>> >
>> > Anyway, me not trust you John ?
>> > That's a bit strong surely - I was wary of one of your motives in one
>> > exchange - but I don't feel like I don't trust you.
>> >
>> > Ian
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:11 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Well, I'm the opposite of you Matt.  I used to disagree but I've since
>> >> changed my mind.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Matt Kundert <
>> pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave used to suggest as much, and I used to agree.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> > Trust doesn't travel by email. Without trust there is no worthwhile
>> >>> debate.
>> >>> > You and Dave (and a few others) need to be in the same room with a
>> >>> > pint of beer (or a poker in hand, maybe, knowing when to put the
>> poker
>> >>> > down).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Ian
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> John:
>> >>
>> >> Trust is built through communication and communication can flow just
>> fine
>> >> through this medium.  It was practically made for it.  In fact, in
>> packet
>> >> programming, "trusted host" has a very well understood meaning.    Any
>> >> medium of communication has its shortcomings but these can always be
>> dealt
>> >> with if the motivation is there.
>> >>
>> >> It's interesting this comes from Ian, because even though he hasn't
>> >> communicated much with me, I trust him because I appreciate his themes,
>> >> memes and ideas.  However, he doesn't trust me for some reason so this
>> issue
>> >> is moot -  dialogue is  impossible if trust doesn't flow both ways.  In
>> >> fact, I'd say it's easier to have a dialogue when there is equal
>> distrust on
>> >> both sides, than when one side is trusting and the other side is not. Me
>> and
>> >> dmb, for instance.   The rules for dialogue under the cloud of evidently
>> >> bilateral distrust are easily understood and followed, but when the
>> trust is
>> >> unequal, there are no real basis for any common protocols at all.
>> >>
>> >> Yer tcp doesn't quite ip, so to speak.
>> >>
>> >> But then, what do I know, I'm just a troll.
>> >>
>> >> John
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