[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

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Hi Marsha,

Two questions:

If rational objective knowledge is created by the brain, is it possible for
it to be free of subjectivity?

Isn't thought part of the unpatterned experience in that it merges to
communicate pattern?

Thanks for your help,

Mark

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:52 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> On Oct 10, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Mary wrote:
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> >> On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:26 PM, 118 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Marsha,
> >>>
> >>> I hate to step into this again, but...
> >>>
> >>> I see a lot of twisting of words that contain no real meaning.  A
> >> pattern
> >>> forms repeating motifs, what does an unpattern do?  Is it like white
> >> noise?
> >>> Are you talking about chaos theory (which can be patterned).  Or are
> >> you
> >>> talking about being spaced out on the way to work.  If you have time,
> >> give
> >>> me an example of an unpattern.
> >
>
> > Mary:
> > It's not possible to give an example of an unpattern.  That's kind of the
> > point.  You see, SOM is all about patterns.
>
> Hi Mary,
>
>
> Marsha:
> I think within the MoQ, the fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is
> comprised of
> intellectual static patterns of value. The way that these patterns function
> is
> as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and
> manipulation.
> Reification decontextualizes.  Intellectual patterns process from a
> subject/object
> conceptual framework creating false boundaries that give the illusion of
> independence as a “thing” or an “object of analysis.”  The fourth level is
> a
> formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for
> rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any
> subjectivity.
>
>
> > Mary:
> > Explaining patterns, examining patterns, comparing and contrasting
> patterns.
>
> Marsha:
> Explaining, examining and contrasting patterns that have been reified as
> objects
> of analysis.
>
>
> > Mary:
> > By definition, SOM can't address an 'unpattern'.
>
> Marsha:
> Right, not without reifying the unpatterned experience into an object of
> analysis.
>
>
> > Mary:
> > The reason we have so much trouble communicating the essence of
> > 'unpatterns' to SOMists is precisely because they cannot be
> > addressed in the realm of patterns.
>
> Marsha:
> Patterns of value do not have the exact, boundaries of definition and
> independence required to be examined and manipulated as objects
> of analysis.  To include all of a patterns interconnected processes would
> be beyond the methods acceptable to science/ logic which wants to isolate
> for verification purposes.
>
>
>
> > Mary:
> > The first cut at Dynamic Quality is experience.  In the instant we've
> > 'experienced', it becomes one of 2 things in the second cut - a subject
> > or an object.  That's unfortunate, because once we've sliced things up
> > as subjects and objects, we can no longer talk about Quality, or Values,
> > or Morals.  We're hard-wired that way.  Not our fault, just our
> disability.
>
> Marsha:
> Not sure that I am comfortable with describing experience as the first cut.
> Maybe an Experience (Quality) is the cutting (process/verb), and
> reification
> follows.  If not hard-wired, then an insidious habit of thought.
>
> imho.
>
>
> Marsha
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