[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

[Mary]

Hi Marsha,

> Hi Mary,
> 
> 
> Marsha:
> I think within the MoQ, the fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is
> comprised of
> intellectual static patterns of value. The way that these patterns
> function is
> as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and
> manipulation.
> Reification decontextualizes.  Intellectual patterns process from a
> subject/object
> conceptual framework creating false boundaries that give the illusion
> of
> independence as a "thing" or an "object of analysis."  The fourth level
> is a
> formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is
> for
> rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any
> subjectivity.
> 
[Mary replies]
Marsha, I hate to say it, but I think we (you and I) might be fighting a
losing battle here.  The more words we throw at Quality, Values, and Morals,
the worse it gets.  That's as it should be, though, since these are
pre-intellectual.  The words do not do them justice.  Once we try to put
words to them, they get reduced back into something much less than they are.

> 
> > Mary:
> > Explaining patterns, examining patterns, comparing and contrasting
> patterns.
> 
> Marsha:
> Explaining, examining and contrasting patterns that have been reified
> as objects
> of analysis.
> 
[Mary replies]

Yup.

> 
> > Mary:
> > By definition, SOM can't address an 'unpattern'.
> 
> Marsha:
> Right, not without reifying the unpatterned experience into an object
> of analysis.
> 
[Mary replies]

Double yup! :)

> 
> > Mary:
> > The reason we have so much trouble communicating the essence of
> > 'unpatterns' to SOMists is precisely because they cannot be
> > addressed in the realm of patterns.
> 
> Marsha:
> Patterns of value do not have the exact, boundaries of definition and
> independence required to be examined and manipulated as objects
> of analysis.  To include all of a patterns interconnected processes
> would
> be beyond the methods acceptable to science/ logic which wants to
> isolate
> for verification purposes.
> 
> 
[Mary replies]

Ever notice how the majority of women seem to get it while the majority of
men don't?  I'm just sayin'...

> 
> > Mary:
> > The first cut at Dynamic Quality is experience.  In the instant we've
> > 'experienced', it becomes one of 2 things in the second cut - a
> subject
> > or an object.  That's unfortunate, because once we've sliced things
> up
> > as subjects and objects, we can no longer talk about Quality, or
> Values,
> > or Morals.  We're hard-wired that way.  Not our fault, just our
> disability.
> 
> Marsha:
> Not sure that I am comfortable with describing experience as the first
> cut.
> Maybe an Experience (Quality) is the cutting (process/verb), and
> reification
> follows.  If not hard-wired, then an insidious habit of thought.
> 

[Mary replies]

There ain't no cut for us before experience.  If we didn't experience it, it
didn't happen, right?

Best,
Mary