[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

[X Acto]

Dave posted this link to stanford recently on the subject,
As if to support Aristotles "substance" as "that which does not
change" being directly linked to scientific materialism, which
if it had been read with a bit more depth, actually takes a more
Pragmatist point of view.

the link again

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/#AriAccSub


 


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RMP:
I think the trouble is with the word, “experience.” It can be used in
at least three ways. It can be used as a relationship between an object
and another object (as in Los Angeles experiencing earthquakes.) It is
more commonly used as a subject-object relationship. This
relationship is usually considered the basis of philosophic empiricism
and experimental scientific knowledge.

In a subject-object metaphysics, this experience is between a preexisting
object and subject, but in the MOQ, there is no pre-existing
subject or object. Experience and Dynamic Quality become
synonymous. Change is probably the first concept emerging from this
Dynamic experience. Time is a primitive intellectual index of this
change. Substance was postulated by Aristotle as that which does not
change. Scientific “matter” is derived from the concept of substance.
Subjects and objects are intellectual terms referring to matter and nonmatter.
So in the MOQ experience comes first, everything else comes
later. This is pure empiricism, as opposed to scientific empiricism,
which, with its pre-existing subjects and objects, is not really so pure.

Ron:
I have to say, I have a rather large bone to pick with Bob on his connection
with Aristotles "substance" and scientific materialism. 
 The philosophical term ‘substance’ corresponds to the Greek ousia, which means 
‘being’, transmitted via the Latin substantia, which means ‘something that 
stands under or grounds things’.  Aristotle said that "meaning"  grounds things.
And the most basic genera, is betterness or the "good". 

Either Bob did'nt read metaphysics himself, or he did'nt read it thoroughly 
enough
to understand that Aristotles "substance" was his "Quality".

Sure, to a lay audience a bogeyman to lay the whole western crisis on was
rhetorically useful but to a professional community he really should have delved
 a bit deeper and did a tad more homework in this area.


      
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