[MD] Step One

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
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>> Hello everyone
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>> John, Dan,
>>>
>>> It seems there are differing aspects of Quality being discussed.
>>>
>>> The arguement focusing on which types of Quality are best.
>>>
>>> While re-examining the root, as Dan suggests, can elimenate alot
>>>
>>> of false dilemma and reinstate what has greater meaning in ones life,
>>>
>>> we do so from an intellectual perspective, which is what I believe John
>>>
>>> is driving at, clarity of meaning in our lives.
>>>
>>> This not only begins with this re-evaluation of the organic experience, but it
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>>> guides and drives our social and intellectual values as well.
>>>
>>> Organic quality would not have the same pleasure of experience if it was
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>>> not shared socially or reflected apon, for greater understanding intellectually
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>>> which is the true flower of the totality of experience.
>>>
>>> Would'nt one say that greater understanding has resulted in better organic
>>> Quality?
>>>
>>> better social Quality?
>>>
>>> Doesent it make our reasons for holding certain organic and social values
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>>> better by constantly reflecting and re-defining them?
>>>
>>> concerning the ego climber, who is it that asserts the ego more?
>>>
>>> the one examing the self and defining it with their values or the one
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>>> denying it exists?
>>>
>>> is not denial of self one of the most insidious acts of selfishness?
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>> Dan:
>>
>> Hi Ron
>>
>> I don't know for sure, but I would say that the selfless existence
>> doesn't mean denying the self so much as it means realizing the self
>> doesn't exist in light of the Buddha's teachings.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Dan"
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> Dan,
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> I wonder what you mean by 'realizing in the light of the Buddha's teaching.'
> Isn't the Buddha's teachings pointing a finger to the moon, and shouldn't
> one go beyond the pointing finger, in other words, realize directly, at least
> try?  But maybe that's what you are saying.\

Dan:

Yes that is what I'm saying. I cannot point to any actual teachings on
account of my not-reading when it comes to zen. I sit. That's all.
Like I advised John, practice reverence... nothing more to say. I do
like pictures though.

Thank you,

Dan