[MD] Step One

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:07 AM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Ron:
>
>> concerning the ego climber, who is it that asserts the ego more?
>>
>> the one examing the self and defining it with their values or the one
>>
>> denying it exists?
>>
>> is not denial of self one of the most insidious acts of selfishness?
>
> Dan:
>
> Hi Ron
>
> I don't know for sure, but I would say that the selfless existence
> doesn't mean denying the self so much as it means realizing the self
> doesn't exist in light of the Buddha's teachings.
>
> Ron:
>
> Hey Dan,
>
> But I would argue that the Buddha is not teaching that the self
> does not exist at all, it does exist, just not as an independant
> seperate entity.

Dan:

Then if you are right, perhaps you could point to the self. Where is it?

>
> The ego and the self do exist, but they exist as relationships.
>
> the self, our values, are the center of experience.
>
> I conclude, then that experience exists, therefore the self
>
> exists, therefore the understanding of experience plays
>
> an intrigal part in the quality of experience.
>
> The buddha promotes cleanliness of the body
>
> which relates to the cleanliness of environment
>
> which promotes cleanliness of the mind
>
> which promotes cleanliness of the body
>
> which promotes cleanliness of the mind
>
> which is cleanliness of the spirit
>
> this harmony of self extends to all experience
>
> this self pervades all
>
> for Quality is indeed reality
>
> -Ron
>
> really

Dan:
Perhaps. Still, what is a clean person? And why aren't all people
clean? Do they not see the harmony? You say it pervades all. I don't
understand.

Thank you,

Dan

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