[MD] The Grand Design

[John Carl]

Mauritius?  The Grand Design?  The Archives?

It is fun following in your wake, adrie.  Like a boat on a storm-tossed sea
there are many waves!

An inexperienced sailor would be seesick.  I will try and follow in your
wake:

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:32 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Nope, John, its not a carefull searching out , or sorting out, i did read
> the grand design, and he was conflicting the context.
>
> "We shall attempt", is correct. And Hawking will be the last to say that it
> is all figured out, "we shall attempt."
>
>
Ah, so he did mean his Title ironically.  Good.

Stumbled across something I found interesting, very, lately.  About the
philosopher that Einstein got his ideas from.  Wrote on anti-matter and
relativity long before the math was all worked out.  Once again, I say, the
romantic aspect precedes the classical in the intellectual evolution.



> Its useless to work with distorted material, John, there is no point in it.
>

and yet, adrie, in this shifting sea, it's all distorted.  I think there
must be a strong internal compass or there would be no hope of a straight
course.



> Been reading back some archives, Mauritius caught my attention, you tossed
> it, as an aside.
>


My wife lived there for a while.  I only know stories I have heard.  She
lived as a 10 year old, at a house on a beach and since she didn't speak
french, she didn't have to go to school.  She played on the beach instead.
An excellent education, if you ask me.  She had a french friend who taught
her more of the language, and especially the pronounciation, than I ever
learned in college.

Her family was there because their last place of employment turned sour -
idi amin and all that.  She'd seen bodies washed on the shore of Lake Vic,
on the way to school. White devil government printers no longer needed!
Mauritius seemed like a paradise indeed in comparison, while her dad tried
to get a business together making fiberglass boats.  The didn't stay long or
I'd never have found her in California!



> No , i don't think so, i don't need to catch you or Mark, i travelled the
> opposite island of Mauritius many times, Reunion, isle de la
> reunion,..I always went to a place called Manapany-Les -Bains, if you want
> to google it,very nice place to do big game fishing.
>
>
Sigh.  It does sound nice.  We have our first day of chill, here in Northern
Cali.  I read yesterday in the snippet of East of Eden, the description of
the Easterner who thinks two weeks without rain is a drought, and then they
come to California where it doesn't rain a day for four or five months of
the year and they freak out.

So I get my tropical isle, part of the year and just sorta have to wait for
the planet to roll around to me, rather than travel to the other side of the
planet.

I get there under geo-power, it just takes me longer.





> So from there i went to Mauritius many times, so if you like points of
> congruence to talk about , they are there, even in this , even in the
> answer
> you gave to me about
> the value's of the bible or the answer you gave on 7th day adventism-,it is
> not because i do not comment on something that i do not think about it,
> mind
> this , i did not in any way act to ridiculise your answers.Or to distort
> them as given.
>
>

Well I like talking about SDAism, but its wound up in me even though I long
ago left it all behind.

But if you're not of that world, it's hard to talk about it - to get it.
And thus I don't see much to talk about.

It's doubly weird, because my wife just joined the church.  She basically
did it to keep her job, and she has no objections to the doctrines.
Although big conflicts with the hierarchy, but hey, like I say, it's not
really something to bring into a discussion like this, where we are (as I
see it) are rather trying to articulate a helpful way of thinking to all
social organizations and religions and such.  At least as I see it.  The
more general insights, gathered from experience, are what are most wanted
and my general insight is that it is a very good thing to have a religious
society that has built-in, it's own escape/transcendance mechanisms.  Would
love to talk more about that, if you're interested.




> So there is no catch to do, no nice catch,..i was reading the interaction
> Dan, John, to use some of your words, if you allow me
> Their  highway, my lowway, etc,   ..this is my proposal, "the road ahead of
> us", our road , the solid road.
> As a consideration, merely.
>
>
I appreciate Dan's words, very much Adrie.  And yours.  And honestly, I also
often appreciate my own responses because of what you all create in my mind
and heart.  To me, the way, the solid road, is this.  The appreciation of
the process as a whole.  That is the solid road.  The real thing to align
with.  I think that is what you are saying and I agree completely.

Your consideration is most appreciated,

John