[MD] The Grand Design

Sun Oct 17 12:51:03 PDT 2010

It's doubly weird, because my wife just joined the church.  She basically
did it to keep her job, and she has no objections to the doctrines.
Although big conflicts with the hierarchy, but hey, like I say, it's not
really something to bring into a discussion like this, where we are (as I
see it) are rather trying to articulate a helpful way of thinking to all
social organizations and religions and such.  At least as I see it.  The
more general insights, gathered from experience, are what are most wanted
and my general insight is that it is a very good thing to have a religious
society that has built-in, it's own escape/transcendance mechanisms.  Would
love to talk more about that, if you're interested.

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Okay, i will make the exeption for this proposal, mind you, we will not
discuss the core of religion itself, we will
discuss your proposal, i will make you a fair deal, i will think of it for
an appropriate amount of time before we do, i need to
think about it.
In the projected optic of your proposal, would you consider to read
"island"(Huxley), to understand one of my main patterns?
I really think you will love it, its a pearl.
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> So there is no catch to do, no nice catch,..i was reading the interaction
> Dan, John, to use some of your words, if you allow me
> Their  highway, my lowway, etc,   ..this is my proposal, "the road ahead
of
> us", our road , the solid road.
> As a consideration, merely.
>
>
I appreciate Dan's words, very much Adrie.  And yours.  And honestly, I also
often appreciate my own responses because of what you all create in my mind
and heart.  To me, the way, the solid road, is this.  The appreciation of
the process as a whole.  That is the solid road.  The real thing to align
with.  I think that is what you are saying and I agree completely.

Your consideration is most appreciated,

2010/10/17 John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>

> Mauritius?  The Grand Design?  The Archives?
>
> It is fun following in your wake, adrie.  Like a boat on a storm-tossed sea
> there are many waves!
>
> An inexperienced sailor would be seesick.  I will try and follow in your
> wake:
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:32 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Nope, John, its not a carefull searching out , or sorting out, i did read
> > the grand design, and he was conflicting the context.
> >
> > "We shall attempt", is correct. And Hawking will be the last to say that
> it
> > is all figured out, "we shall attempt."
> >
> >
> Ah, so he did mean his Title ironically.  Good.
>
> Stumbled across something I found interesting, very, lately.  About the
> philosopher that Einstein got his ideas from.  Wrote on anti-matter and
> relativity long before the math was all worked out.  Once again, I say, the
> romantic aspect precedes the classical in the intellectual evolution.
>
>
>
> > Its useless to work with distorted material, John, there is no point in
> it.
> >
>
> and yet, adrie, in this shifting sea, it's all distorted.  I think there
> must be a strong internal compass or there would be no hope of a straight
> course.
>
>
>
> > Been reading back some archives, Mauritius caught my attention, you
> tossed
> > it, as an aside.
> >
>
>
> My wife lived there for a while.  I only know stories I have heard.  She
> lived as a 10 year old, at a house on a beach and since she didn't speak
> french, she didn't have to go to school.  She played on the beach instead.
> An excellent education, if you ask me.  She had a french friend who taught
> her more of the language, and especially the pronounciation, than I ever
> learned in college.
> --------------------------------------------
>
Strang , about the pronouncement of the Frensh, i saw an interview some time
ago, with you'r 'mercan Jodie Foster,
and her French is fucking better than mine,its almost perfect, and very
fluently, it rolls.But i do not speak french well,
or native, my tongue is Dutch. (as an aside)
I can always use a condo of a friended dokter to stay there, renting
something there is unpayable
The prices there unbelievable, you would not even believe it, more expensive
then Moorea, or Tahiti.
Reunion is extremely beautiful, especially Piton, its a sort of a rainy
forest on the slopes of the vulcano,But Mauritius is flat.
Even a can of cola is very expensive, they have to fly it in, i'v payed 30
dollar for a coke , 20 years ago.

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> Her family was there because their last place of employment turned sour -
> idi amin and all that.  She'd seen bodies washed on the shore of Lake Vic,
> on the way to school. White devil government printers no longer needed!
> Mauritius seemed like a paradise indeed in comparison, while her dad tried
> to get a business together making fiberglass boats.  The didn't stay long
> or
> I'd never have found her in California!
>
>
>
> > No , i don't think so, i don't need to catch you or Mark, i travelled the
> > opposite island of Mauritius many times, Reunion, isle de la
> > reunion,..I always went to a place called Manapany-Les -Bains, if you
> want
> > to google it,very nice place to do big game fishing.
> >
> >
> Sigh.  It does sound nice.  We have our first day of chill, here in
> Northern
> Cali.  I read yesterday in the snippet of East of Eden, the description of
> the Easterner who thinks two weeks without rain is a drought, and then they
> come to California where it doesn't rain a day for four or five months of
> the year and they freak out.
>
> So I get my tropical isle, part of the year and just sorta have to wait for
> the planet to roll around to me, rather than travel to the other side of
> the
> planet.
>
> I get there under geo-power, it just takes me longer.
>
>
>
>
>
> > So from there i went to Mauritius many times, so if you like points of
> > congruence to talk about , they are there, even in this , even in the
> > answer
> > you gave to me about
> > the value's of the bible or the answer you gave on 7th day adventism-,it
> is
> > not because i do not comment on something that i do not think about it,
> > mind
> > this , i did not in any way act to ridiculise your answers.Or to distort
> > them as given.
> >
> >
>
> Well I like talking about SDAism, but its wound up in me even though I long
> ago left it all behind.
>
> But if you're not of that world, it's hard to talk about it - to get it.
> And thus I don't see much to talk about.
>
> It's doubly weird, because my wife just joined the church.  She basically
> did it to keep her job, and she has no objections to the doctrines.
> Although big conflicts with the hierarchy, but hey, like I say, it's not
> really something to bring into a discussion like this, where we are (as I
> see it) are rather trying to articulate a helpful way of thinking to all
> social organizations and religions and such.  At least as I see it.  The
> more general insights, gathered from experience, are what are most wanted
> and my general insight is that it is a very good thing to have a religious
> society that has built-in, it's own escape/transcendance mechanisms.  Would
> love to talk more about that, if you're interested.
>
>
>
>
> > So there is no catch to do, no nice catch,..i was reading the interaction
> > Dan, John, to use some of your words, if you allow me
> > Their  highway, my lowway, etc,   ..this is my proposal, "the road ahead
> of
> > us", our road , the solid road.
> > As a consideration, merely.
> >
> >
> I appreciate Dan's words, very much Adrie.  And yours.  And honestly, I
> also
> often appreciate my own responses because of what you all create in my mind
> and heart.  To me, the way, the solid road, is this.  The appreciation of
> the process as a whole.  That is the solid road.  The real thing to align
> with.  I think that is what you are saying and I agree completely.
>
> Your consideration is most appreciated,
> ---------------------
> John
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