[MD] The Moral Landscape

[Ian Glendinning]

Me too Mark, that's why I phrased it that way originally .... "do" is what
get's things done, clearly.

When you do unto others to get them off their arse you are indeed "doing as
you would be done by" .... if you were sitting around on your arse, you
would value others giving you reasons to get up and .... just do it. (But
you'd probably draw the line at them poking you in the eye with a sharp
stick ? You wouldn't like it, so you probably wouldn't do it ....
proactively.)

Ian
PS not sure why it's news that there is a lot of crap in the bible ?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just thought I'd jump in.
>
> An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, something like that is also in the
> bible.  The Buddhist version seems pretty bland to me, it would not result
> in any creation.  There would be no pushy entanglement resulting in
> something new.  I could get into the economic benefits of haggling over
> trade rather than isolationism, but that is so boring.  So, I am more in
> favor of the doing rather than the not doing.  Do unto others to get them
> off their arse.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Ian Glendinning
> <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Andre,
> >
> > Anybody suggesting "We've been kicked in the ass, so we'll have to
> > kick back" is suggesting getting even .... a complete perversion of "do
> as
> > you would be done by".
> >
> > Would = would wish to be.
> >
> > It's just a simple statement of the Buddhist (Vedic and earlier) golden
> > rule
> > "don't do as you would not be done by if you prefer". It's a proactive
> > statement about living life.
> >
> > Who's the cynic ?
> > Ian
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >  Ian to Craig and Horse:
> > >
> > > Apart from hoping people recognize "harm" when they (don't) see it,
> this
> > is
> > > simply the golden rule "do as you would be done by" ... core to the
> > origins
> > > of many (most) moral traditions.
> > >
> > > Andre:
> > > Yes, and very Western as well and to be cynical about it, this is the
> > > motivational feeding stuff
> > > of any tough business person in our competitive world. (I'll knife your
> > > back and you'll knife
> > > mine), and many not so tough people I might add.
> > >
> > > I was laid off once because the company I worked for went into
> > receivership
> > > ('taken over' by the bank).
> > > The way the boss explained it (in an apologetic way):'We've been kicked
> > in
> > > the ass, so we'll have to kick
> > > back'. I understood completely but I am still a bit vague as to why I
> was
> > > kicked as well( and a few
> > > others I might add).
> > >
> > > I like the 'Eastern' 'enlightened' variant a bit better which Steve
> Hagen
> > > gives in his
> > > "Buddhism, plain and simple': 'Do not do unto others what you would not
> > > have done unto you'.(p 90)
> > >
> > > It is passive and seems more positive than the moralistic 'do as you
> > would
> > > be done by' which implies
> > > you should do something or move into action or something...but what?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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