[MD] The Moral Landscape

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

amen, brother, stay coherent.

2010/10/19 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>

> Hi Ian,
>
> Yea, it's not new that there is a lot of crap in the bible.  It is more the
> interpretation that is crap.  The bible is full of words that are used
> righteously alright.  Have had one thrown at me.
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Ian Glendinning
> <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Me too Mark, that's why I phrased it that way originally .... "do" is
> what
> > get's things done, clearly.
> >
> > When you do unto others to get them off their arse you are indeed "doing
> as
> > you would be done by" .... if you were sitting around on your arse, you
> > would value others giving you reasons to get up and .... just do it. (But
> > you'd probably draw the line at them poking you in the eye with a sharp
> > stick ? You wouldn't like it, so you probably wouldn't do it ....
> > proactively.)
> >
> > Ian
> > PS not sure why it's news that there is a lot of crap in the bible ?
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just thought I'd jump in.
> > >
> > > An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, something like that is also in
> the
> > > bible.  The Buddhist version seems pretty bland to me, it would not
> > result
> > > in any creation.  There would be no pushy entanglement resulting in
> > > something new.  I could get into the economic benefits of haggling over
> > > trade rather than isolationism, but that is so boring.  So, I am more
> in
> > > favor of the doing rather than the not doing.  Do unto others to get
> them
> > > off their arse.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Ian Glendinning
> > > <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Andre,
> > > >
> > > > Anybody suggesting "We've been kicked in the ass, so we'll have to
> > > > kick back" is suggesting getting even .... a complete perversion of
> "do
> > > as
> > > > you would be done by".
> > > >
> > > > Would = would wish to be.
> > > >
> > > > It's just a simple statement of the Buddhist (Vedic and earlier)
> golden
> > > > rule
> > > > "don't do as you would not be done by if you prefer". It's a
> proactive
> > > > statement about living life.
> > > >
> > > > Who's the cynic ?
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Andre Broersen <
> > andrebroersen at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Ian to Craig and Horse:
> > > > >
> > > > > Apart from hoping people recognize "harm" when they (don't) see it,
> > > this
> > > > is
> > > > > simply the golden rule "do as you would be done by" ... core to the
> > > > origins
> > > > > of many (most) moral traditions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andre:
> > > > > Yes, and very Western as well and to be cynical about it, this is
> the
> > > > > motivational feeding stuff
> > > > > of any tough business person in our competitive world. (I'll knife
> > your
> > > > > back and you'll knife
> > > > > mine), and many not so tough people I might add.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was laid off once because the company I worked for went into
> > > > receivership
> > > > > ('taken over' by the bank).
> > > > > The way the boss explained it (in an apologetic way):'We've been
> > kicked
> > > > in
> > > > > the ass, so we'll have to kick
> > > > > back'. I understood completely but I am still a bit vague as to why
> I
> > > was
> > > > > kicked as well( and a few
> > > > > others I might add).
> > > > >
> > > > > I like the 'Eastern' 'enlightened' variant a bit better which Steve
> > > Hagen
> > > > > gives in his
> > > > > "Buddhism, plain and simple': 'Do not do unto others what you would
> > not
> > > > > have done unto you'.(p 90)
> > > > >
> > > > > It is passive and seems more positive than the moralistic 'do as
> you
> > > > would
> > > > > be done by' which implies
> > > > > you should do something or move into action or something...but
> what?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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