[MD] Step One

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:30 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:48 PM, 118 wrote:
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>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:29 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
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>>>> Hello everyone
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>>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>>>> On Oct 18, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
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>>>>>> Dan:
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>>>>>> The intellectual level is just thinking, plain and simple. You know
>>> that, John.
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>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>> Aren't all patterns conceptually constructed?  Wouldn't that make all
>>> levels "just thinking?"
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>>>> Hi Marsha
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>>>> I would say that within the framework of the MOQ, inorganic and
>>>> biological patterns are physical. We can touch them, examine them.
>>>> Social and intellectual patterns are mental... like the President of
>>>> the United States. There is no way to physically tell the President
>>>> apart from any other human being by examination. So to answer your
>>>> question, no, not all levels are "just thinking." In addition, there
>>>> seem to social patterns of value that are not intellectual, like
>>>> saying "Bless you" when someone sneezes. Those types of patterns are
>>>> ingrained in us to the extent that we really don't think about it.
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>>>> Dan
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>>> Dan,
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>>> If I think "Should I say "Bless you." to this guy." does that make it an
>>> intellectual static pattern of value or a social static pattern of value?
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>>> Marsha
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>> Mark:
>> Yes.
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> Marsha:
> And the notion that the Intellectual Level represent theology, science, philosophy
> and mathematics has collapsed into thinking about whether to say "Bless you.",
> or not?   No, I don't buy that.

Hi Marsha

Sometimes in order to make the complicated a bit simpler, we start
small. I mean, there are only four levels and they contain everything
(except Dynamic Quality), so obviously we are using analogy here to
order our understanding of reality. Theology, science, philosophy and
mathematics are made up of both social and intellectual pattens. They
are often cultural-specific, as Robert Pirsig points out.

I hope that helps.

Dan
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