[MD] Earth the Centre of the Universe

[Ian Glendinning]

Marsha,

DMB has his own agenda (and style of ridicule), in particular in this
context defending scientific rationality against anti-intellectual attacks
from the right, and spurious god / religion / theology arguments. There are
millions of people in that debate right now - my lone voice in support of
enlightened rationality will not be missed.

I'm focussed on making science better (in whatever small ways I can) ...
better understand itself and its relation to the mythos ... so that it
doesn't fall into the idolatrous trap of absolute intellectual superiority
like any two-bit religion. (In doing so, I do risk appearing not to support
the first argument .... but nothing could be further from the truth.)

If I wrote so dmb could understand me, I think our differences would be
purely tactical - choosing our battlegrounds.

Standing by for DMB's ridicule.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> Geez, someone criticized Hawking in this forum and was soundly ridiculed
> by dmb?  I have watched all the Hawking dvd programs available; one more
> to go.  Find it important to know where I am pointing my skepticism.  -
>  It's
> interesting story-telling.  Once upon a time there was singularity...
>
> Wallace's book was great!   -   I can only change myself, which may be the
> best way to assist social change.  When in public I _try_ to spread good
> cheer.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>
> > Agreed. Hawking (media superstar) is part of the problem of current day
> > science, all he can do is deepen the hole it's in.
> >
> > Science will rise to its true position if it winds back 80 years or so.
> The
> > problem with science now is that it is (in its own mind and in public
> > consciousness and media generally) too exalted. Unfortunately, to be
> called
> > scientific is to be praised - hallelujah. Idolatry in action.
> >
> > But - let's try and do something about it - do as we would be done by.
> > Look at the specific scientific error in the big bang stuff (I provided
> 10
> > or more links) ... and use it as an example to spread awareness of the
> > problem.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Sorry.  I meant science.  It will take much more than
> >> Hawking hawking its theories to resurrect science to
> >> an exalted position.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Marsha,
> >>>
> >>> The Wallace book, I've heard of, but ...
> >>>
> >>> Resurrect "it" - what's "it" ?
> >>> Whose comments on what programme ?
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Ian
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ian,
> >>>>
> >>>> The Wallace book 'Choosing Reality' was enlightening.  It will take
> >>>> much more than a Hawking to resurrect it.  It's hard to keep from
> >>>> laughing at his program comments.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Marsha
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If science is right it appears Copernicus was right all along, and
> the
> >>>> Earth
> >>>>> really is the centre of the universe.
> >>>>> http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3589
> >>>>> (Clue - science is wrong - shock, horror ;-o )
> >>>>>
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