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Ron:
Good point,and follows in the same vein with similar caution
to Marks and Platt's arguement. 
Hitler and the National socialist movement
lied about the Boon of Socialism, they made intellectual
arguements for the benefit s of socialism and when they came
into power to implement their promise and ideas they quickly
made it a fascist regime. Which was their aim all along.
An anti-intellectual movement.

So it's not really fair to say that Nazi germany was a socialist state.

Nor Italy for that matter. They were dictatorships first and foremost

which "dictated" economic policy within the "socialist framework".

See, capitolism was only for the chosen hierarchy, by utilizing
natural resources, too bad for eastern europe that the nazi's
considered it their right to claim as a natural resource....in fact they
 were only utilizing the "manifest destiny" campaign to the success
that the United states and the colonial powers did.
The Nazi's thought they were culturally superior, ethnicly superior
and they believed they were just and moral in their endeavors.

They were getting rid of all the illegals, they were cleaning up
their country bringing jobs and decency back for white German
workers, they were patriots, for god and country.

sound a bit familier?








Horse:



  Hi Mark
Have you never heard of the wolf in sheep's clothing or that politicians 
(and certain folk around here) tell lies?


Mark:
> Hi Horse,
> Now, I am not a historian but I have read a few books, The Rise and the Fall
> of the Third Reich being one of them.  My father lived through the war in
> Holland and I have had many discussions with him.  In my opinion Platt is
> correct in saying that the Nazi party (NSP) started as a socialist party.
>  It named itself the German Worker's Party, which has obvious socialist
> overtones.  The party came to power due to a depression.  The NSP promised
> the middle class it would fix all the problems (never said how).  The NSP
> had an extensive welfare system (also a socialist premise), which gave them
> more power.  Living conditions for the masses improved under the NSP.
>
> Fascism can have benign connotations if we separate it from the war
> atrocities. In fact Italian fascism was quite popular, and Mussolini was a
> socialist journalist.  The economic model is that all production is in the
> control of the government, or very large corporations (socialist).
>
> Hegel followers and others were looking for an alternative to common
> socialism with many of the same attributes.  They thought fascism it would
> result in harmony between social classes (also a socialist ideal).  It was a
> top down approach, which is also socialist.    All of these words now have
> different meanings due to the ghastly war, but these Germans and Italians
> were not stupid, they were indeed looking for a better society.
>
> But unfortunately (and I will end with a poem by Robert Burns):
>
> The best laid schemes of mice and men