[MD] Step One

[MarshaV]

Hi Mark,

Here is how I interpret, based on how they function,  the Intellectual (SOM) Level:
 

The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns of value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and manipulation.  Reification decontextualizes.  Intellectual patterns process from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries that give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of analysis.”  The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity like emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study and research in an unbiased and rational manner. 


Thanks,


Marsha 


 












On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:40 AM, MarshaV wrote:

> 
> Correct interrupted to be interpreted.  
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, 118 wrote:
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>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:44 AM, 118 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> inferred that you were reasoning that Quality was analogous to not this,
>>>> not that.  Clearly I was mistaken.  You were simply stating that Quality
>>> can
>>>> not be described with words.  OK, I get it.  How is it then that you
>>> discuss
>>>> it?
>>> 
>>> Marsha:
>>> The point is I don't talk about it.  Using intellect to talk about Quality,
>>> reifies it,
>>> and it is not this, not that.  I experience it as unpatterned, and
>>> patterned flow,
>>> after that nothing fits well.  If you want to talk about Intellectual Level
>>> patterns,
>>> or Social Level patterns, or Biological Level patterns, or Inorganic Level
>>> patterns, I think there is lots to consider and discuss.
>>> 
>> 
>> The point is that while you do not talk about it, you certainly write about
>> it, unless you are in the wrong forum.  Your description of experience is
>> shorthand at best  There are at least four words there that need
>> interpretation (and one of those is not "I", which can also be included).
>> So, let's talk about the expression of quality in the subjects you
>> reference above.  You can consider it not really talking about Quality if
>> that makes more sense to you.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> The Dynamic aspect of Quality is unknowable, indivisible, undefinable.  
> 
> Static patterns of value are ever-changing, relative, impermanent 
> habit that is able to be conceptualized.  
> 
> The four levels are interpreted  and defined with slight differences 
> dependent on an individuals past static pattern history.  
> 
> 
> Marsha  
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