[MD] From Psychology to Empiricism

[MarshaV]

On Sep 4, 2010, at 12:34 PM, MarshaV wrote:

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> On Sep 4, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Mary wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha,
>> 
>> [Mary said]
>>>> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where
>>> the
>>>> paramount demand is for rational objective knowledge, which denies
>>> the
>>>> existence of Quality.
>>> 
>> 
>> [Marsha replied]
>>> Quality being value?  Quality being experience?  Quality as Emptiness?
>>> I
>>> cannot agree with your "which denies the existence of Quality."   Mr.
>>> Pirsig,
>>> himself, has used intellect to explain the Quality.  My understanding
>>> of Quality is as unpatterned experience/patterned experience; it is not
>>> the
>>> descriptions or discussions of it.  But maybe if you would elaborate, I
>>> might
>>> have more to consider.
>> 
>> 
>> As in, Quality does not exist, Quality is just a subjective opinion, Quality
>> is not an inherent property of a thing, or Quality is not real.  Also as in,
>> Quality is trivial, fluff, not to be taken seriously, cannot be properly
>> measured, quantified, objectively observed, or used in the metrics to rate
>> you in your annual job performance review.  In other words, Quality is
>> *just* subjective.
>> 
>> Given that, how does it compare with what you said?
> 
> 
> Yes, I can whole heartedly agree with you.   - Marsha   

Hi Mary,

I do agree with you, but I can understand an area of confusion.  With 
Quality = Value, one could say intellectual patterns value objective 
data/information, and that's valuing.  Yet I believe the MoQ states 
that the subject/object level does not understand that that data/information 
IS Value and only Value.  

Marsha  





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>>> ...
>>> The fourth level is a formalized
>>>> subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for 
>>>> rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any
>> subjectivity.
>> 
>> I think we are saying the same thing?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Mary
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