[MD] An inquirey into "be-ing"

[MarshaV]

On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:28 AM, X Acto wrote:

> Ron had said:
>> But the question that is avoided is not whether or not
>> the idea of "being as one" is technologically superior
>> but rather is "being as one" better evolutionarily
>> than "being as in flux" and dynamic.
>> 
>> Is this technological superiority better evolutionarily?
> 
> Marsha replied:
> Have the purposes chosen by Western intellect provided goodness?
> I'd say yes, but mostly no.  I think RMP has asked the question,  
> Krishnamurti and the Dalai Lama certainly have, with all our 
> technological advancement are humans suffering less.  Tough 
> to know, but again my guess would be mostly no they are not 
> suffering less.  
> (snip)
> While understanding that all is 
> Value, I, personally, do not like to make value judgements.
> If I do, moments later I can think of twelve other reasons 
> why I might be wrong.  But it is some peoples preference 
> to proclaim judgements.  Maybe I'm suggesting I do not 
> think you question can be answered. 
> 
> What do you think?  Have I gone off in a different direction?  
> 
> 
> Ron:
> No not at all.
> 
> No it can't in any definitve sense because the answer is unique
> to every situation, every value judgement. The answer is reflection
> of your own values. Ask yourself why you value something, explore
> the reasons. I think you hit it.
> 
> I have taken the course to try to get engaged in value judgements.
> They can't be avoided, I'm composed of them. I make them whether
> I want to acknowledge it or not.With that in mind. I really try to
> reflect on them. It can make certain judgements easier to make.
> It helps with recognizing false conflicts too.

Hi Ron,

A couple things, you are involved in family/social life, I have more or
less withdrawn.  My husband died, my children are all grown and 
living on there own.  I kind of have only as much distraction as I want, 
ignoring the everyday dynamics of just plain living. 

Something I have wondered about often is I seem never to be put 
into the position of needing to use the level structure to assist a 
decision.  Well, maybe disconnecting from network and cable 
tv programming was an intellectual over the social decision.  

I am in more of a deconstructing mode.  

Take Capitalism for instance.  There is much to be heard, even on 
the public radio station concerning Capitalism.  But if I listen carefully 
to the statements, it always comes down to: no, it's not that, not that 
either, no that isn't it.  Oh, the topic could be Communism, the 
deconstruction would be the same.  Communism is not over there 
on the left ready to devour freedom, nor is Capitalism over there on 
the right waiting to defend this nation.  It's all so much nonsense.
Meanwhile the NYT reports there are food riots in Africa.  This 
human culture seems not to be working with the best patterns.


> I think it has helped in developing a sort of intellectual morality for
> myself which as you say, hesitates on making knee-jerk value
> judgements.


With the MoQ there is a better chance that we live, we learn.  Don't 
you think.

What's the Alanis Moriseette song:

  You live you learn, you love you learn
  You cry you learn, you lose you learn
  You bleed you learn, you scream you learn 

  You grieve you learn, you choke you learn
  You  laugh you learn, you choose you learn   
  You pray you learn you ask you learn

  You live you learn,,,  


 
Marsha 


 
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