[MD] Reifying carrots

[Andre Broersen]

Andre to Marsha:
How many times do 'we' have to tell you that Bodvar's fucking SOLpositing is illogical!!!
In the MOQ there is no subjectivity!

Marsha: I have no intentions of reacting to your drama, psychological 
bullying or your four-letter words.

Andre:
Of course you have no intentions of doing so but we are talking MOQ 
here. We are talking about
Mr. Pirsigs MOQ, and this simply states that 'Quality destroys 
objectivity every time'(ZMM, p351)

Marsha to dmb:
And I am sick of being told I am anti-intellectual because I think that 
RMP's "Kill all intellectual patterns. Kill them completely" Is the key 
to actual awakening to the MoQ's highest point-of-view. Not this, not 
that. Yes it is my favorite. It is my bottom line, and it is past 
speculation.

Andre:
And I am not convinced you actually understand this 'key'. You seem to 
take it literally when it really means 'to detach yourself from these 
patterns',(LILA,p407) to NOT attach to them any inherent status. Yet 
this is what is happening when you bandy things like 'objectification' 
and 'reification' around.

This 'perfect little acorn...' as you put it, challenges your own 
understanding of the intellectual level.It suggests that reification of 
concepts produces 'anomalies' so well identified by Phaedrus in his 
'platypi' conception. The MOQ asserts an anti-reification, an 
anti-objectification. It asserts static patterns of value . It asserts 
Quality, not objectivity!

By all means, carry on with your mantra singing and painting in an 
effort to kill all intellectual patterns but this is a discussion of the 
MOQ put forward by Mr. Pirsig in an effort to make the world a little 
bit of a better place to live in, not only for us on a personal level, 
but also for our future generations and in that process we need our 
intellectual patterns to combat/challenge these 'anomalies' by perhaps 
absorbing them within the framework of the root expansion of 
rationality. In this way we ensure that they are not passed on, and 
'that's the highest moral conduct of all.That really advances 
everything, not just you. The whole world'.

This is what, amongst other things, this Discuss is about.(but this is, 
of course, my own subjective opinion).