[MD] Reifying carrots - corrected

[MarshaV]

 So as not to be accused of name-calling in-kind, I thought I'd point out that my "Fuck off!" was a directive with a explanation mark for emphasis.  - m
 
 
 
On Sep 12, 2010, at 1:27 PM, MarshaV wrote:

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> dmb,
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> It's been my experience that your best shot is always naming calling.  Fuck off!
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> Marsha  
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> On Sep 12, 2010, at 1:24 PM, david buchanan wrote:
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>> dmb said to Marsha:
>> .., you are seemingly oblivious to the central objection. Your response does not even mention it,  ..We have Pirsig on record about this, you know? He thinks that equating the intellectual level with SOM undermines the MOQ. That's the objection you're not hearing, Marsha. 
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>> Marsha says:
>> I am hearing the objection.  I understand the MoQ differently than you.  Yea me!!!
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>> dmb says:
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>> No, boo you. If you really heard the objection, you wouldn't be calling your view "different". You'd be addressing the objection. And your view is not just different from mine, it's different than the author's. The inventor of the MOQ has explicitly condemned the equation you're using, but you're sticking to it anyway. What's worse, this hopelessly immovable position has been constructed out of a whole series of bad definitions misconceptions. "If my explanation is inadequate", you said, "I will try to find better words". Again, this response dismisses the main objection. 
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>> Instead of trying to find better words, why not deal with the objections? Obviously, those objections will tell you specifically how and why people are finding your explanations inadequate. Instead of defending your right to think freely, which nobody is attacking, why don't you defend your ability to think carefully and responsibly? If you address the objections that've already been posted, you'd be directly confronting the inadequacies already spotted. Responding with "not this, not that. Yea, me" just doesn't count as a response at all. It's like you're at band practice every member of the band is telling you, one by one, that you're out of tune. And your response is to defend your right to sing "differently"? that response only shows that you're still not hearing the objection.
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>> Again from the top...
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