[MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Mon Sep 13 08:00:46 PDT 2010 

Horse, 

Having been on the receiving end of one of dmb's trashy little 
posts full of insults, I was a bit sensitive to the tactic.  But I get 
your message loud and clear.  It won't happen again on my 
part.   



Marsha 




On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Horse wrote:

> [Message from MD Administrator]
> 
> I agree completely with Adrie here.
> Emails that are sent off-list should remain off-list.
> If they are to be posted to the list then ALL participants should agree to their being published on MD AND they should run it past me first.
> If there is some particular reason that you feel something should be be brought from the private to the public domain (threats or whatever) then please contact me with your concerns.
> 
> 
> Horse
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/09/2010 14:32, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>> It is fully my responsibility for posting publicly the 'Unlike Marsha's post,
>> this really is OFF LIST' post.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:18 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry to read all of this , Jc, i worked with my hands all my life , and i'm
>>> aware of how harsh life can become for some people.
>>> My life's expierience tells me that it al begins with only one loose end,
>>> they are added up, loose end above loose end.
>>> On a certaint moment in time, it will generate a cascade of events ,called a
>>> mid-life crisis.
>>> But it is not per-se a bad thing to talk about it but even in this optic you
>>> have to keep the balance.
>>> The big questions of life.....sooner or later everybody will meet them, one
>>> of my basic rules in life is simple as hell,
>>> "do not throw in a lot of show elements in life, it will backfire
>>> always",.And i don't mean to say that i'm the keeper of wisdom.
>>> 
>>> But to use some phrase of Pirsig, throwing sand in the bulls eyes won't
>>> work.
>>> You have to reformat yourself this very day man,and its sad to say, but you
>>> will have to carry some past backpacking in the future.
>>> The clausule's you are mentioning used by the banks , are about the same as
>>> here, THEY ARE NEGOTIATABLE,its mostly possible to reformulate the loan, and
>>> end up with a streched-out  downpayment-term. it is often done here.
>>> 
>>> The usage of the red tagging argument is also tried-out here, wont work,
>>> this counter argument doesn't settle the debts to the bank.
>>> They call it a solid as Titanic-argument here in Europe.Renegotiate the
>>> boundary's and properties of the loan man.
>>> 
>>> Septic tanks are unimportant until they overflow........needless to comment.
>>> Move on again on your own force to carry the the day man, i shit you not.
>>> And i strongly dissaprove the usage for unclear purposes of list-ommitted
>>> mails.
>>> Mails that are meant to be kept confidential, have no right of existence in
>>> the public domain.This is unnaceptable.
>>> 
>>> I'v stayed away from the conflict DMB, Jc,i try to keep my options open as
>>> long as possible.try to settle the conflict Jc, without cheap
>>> use of relaying mails in the public domain.
>>> 
>>> Adrie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2010/9/12 John Carl<ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>> A story Marsha?
>>>> 
>>>> Sure.  I like Dave and the Ronettes, just fine, but I'll tell you a story
>>>> about Limbo.
>>>> 
>>>> Limbo is a place.  As a place, the best description I have for it is "not
>>>> this, not that".  I'm not real familiar with Catholic theology, but as I
>>>> understand it,  Limbo  describes where pagans .  and unchristened babies go
>>>> after they die.  Sounds like my kind of people, actually.   I think good
>>>> Catholics are supposed to pray their loved ones out of limbo and into
>>>> heaven.  But I always wondered why.  Limbo sounds like the middle way to
>>>> me.
>>>> 
>>>> When I say I'm living in Limbo, I mean my property, my home of 18 years, my
>>>> old miner's cabin which dangles over the diggins behind the house, and
>>>> fronts onto HWY 49.  If I stand in my front yard I can hear Harleys and
>>>> Semi
>>>> Trucks going by.  If I stand in the back I'm bordering on BLM land,
>>>> thousands of acres of it, below the level of an 80 foot cliff that shunts
>>>> sounds over my head and leaves me in peace.  I live on the knife edge of
>>>> ambiguity.  This can be maddening, or frustrating or quite liberating,
>>>> depending on how you wanna look at it.  A couple of events have conspired
>>>> to
>>>> bring the knife edge of ambiguity to a razor sharp hone.
>>>> 
>>>> First, on Sept. 2nd, Lu was issued a ticket by Nevada County to appear in
>>>> court on criminal charges.  These charges concern the condition of our
>>>> property and septic disposal.
>>>> 
>>>> At the same time, JP Morgan Chase has somehow "lost" our modification
>>>> documents, which they say gives them the power to renegotiate our mortgage
>>>> modification.  I hear stories all the time about such antics.  How the
>>>> government gives money to banks to make up their losses and foolishness.
>>>> How the banks take the money, and keep the property, in the hopes of
>>>> milking
>>>> more money out of these "financial instruments".  Good luck with that.
>>>> Sooner or later, something real needs to happen.
>>>> 
>>>> Yesterday a shelf, burdened with books fell down and I had to pick up the
>>>> books.  I found one I didn't even know I had, it was from so long ago - a
>>>> thin brown book of poetry by Gary Snyder -
>>>> 
>>>> "Some critic tried to put me down--
>>>> 'your poems lack the Basic Truth of Tao'
>>>> And I recall the old-timers
>>>> Who were poor and didn't care.
>>>> I have to laugh at him,
>>>> He misses the point entirely,
>>>> Men like that
>>>> Ought to stick to making money."
>>>> 
>>>> Between the bank and the county, who both stick my home in Limbo, I find
>>>> the
>>>> perfect stand.  To the county I say, "Hey, it's not even certain that it's
>>>> my property.  Go find JP Morgan/Chase and ask him to cut the grass, get rid
>>>> of the unregistered vehicles and ancient school bus moldering in apple
>>>> orchard."  To JP Morgan Chase I say, "hey, why should I sign your
>>>> modification agreement when the property isn't even livable?  The county
>>>> has
>>>> red-tagged it and here is the supporting documentation to prove what I
>>>> say".  All threats cancel each other out and just thrusts me deeper into
>>>> limbo.
>>>> 
>>>> Pray for me, then.  Not to leave limbo for heaven, but to turn Limbo into
>>>> heaven, without interference from demons.
>>>> 
>>>> John
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