[MD] How far do you go to preserve individual life?

[Ian]

I said it was propaganda. I also say "surrendering" health care is  
propaganda.

If you ain't reading the replies you do get, what's the point ?
Ian

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On 13 Sep 2010, at 17:31, plattholden at gmail.com wrote:

> Horse,
> Who says "death panel" is propaganda? Who says it's "emotive  
> nonsense?"
> I don't recall that this has "been over in the past." Can you  
> refresh my
> memory? Thanks.
>
> Platt
>
>
> On 13 Sep 2010 at 15:50, Horse wrote:
>
>>  Platt
>> Would you please keep your 'Death Panel' propaganda away from the  
>> MD list.
>> We've been over this in the past and there is no need to bring this  
>> sort
>> of nonsense into the discussion.
>> If you have concerns about this then there should be no problem in
>> raising these concerns without the need to resort to this sort of
>> emotive nonsense.
>> All that will happen is that there will be a shouting match about  
>> 'Death
>> Panels', nothing will be gained or resolved and I will have to step  
>> in
>> and halt the conversation (which I will do) after much time and  
>> energy
>> is wasted.
>>
>> Horse
>>
>> On 13/09/2010 15:35, plattholden at gmail.com wrote:
>>> All:
>>>
>>> In a conversation reported in the Guardian.uk scientists David  
>>> Attenborough and
>>> Richard Dawkins were asked, "What is the most difficult ethical  
>>> dilemma facing
>>> science today:?
>>>
>>> "DA: How far do you go to preserve individual human life?
>>>
>>> RD: That's a good one, yes.
>>>
>>> DA: I mean, what are we to do with the NHS? How can you put a  
>>> value in pounds,
>>> shillings and pence on an individual life? There was a case with a  
>>> bowel cancer
>>> drug -- if you gave that drug, which costs several thousand  
>>> pounds, it
>>> continued life for six weeks on. How can you make that decision?"
>>>
>>> How would the MOQ make that decision? There's no direct answer  
>>> that I can find
>>> in Pirsig's writings. I presume that if the patient was of sound  
>>> mind and, from
>>> his past history, could potentially offer something of  
>>> intellectual value
>>> during the remaining six or so weeks of his life, he should  
>>> receive the drug.
>>> Otherwise, the social value of his life would rule which, as the  
>>> Giant would
>>> judge, isn't worth a pence. Biologically the poor soul would be  
>>> best recycled.
>>>
>>> What's really horrendous about the question is that in the NHS and  
>>> now
>>> potentially in the U.S. such questions are all too real with life  
>>> and death
>>> decisions in the hands of a government committee, i.e., a death  
>>> panel. I don't
>>> know about you, but the thought of my government determining  
>>> whether I live or
>>> die makes me sick. It's as if Joe Stalin was resurrected.
>>>
>>> When you surrender such personal decisions to the government, not  
>>> only is your
>>> life threatened, but DQ, the creative force of evolution, dies,  
>>> too. Perhaps,
>>> the MOQ answer is just that -- take responsibility for your own  
>>> life so DQ can
>>> flourish.
>>>
>>> The interview is at:
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/11/science-david-attenborough-
>>> richard-dawkins
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Platt
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>> - Frank Zappa
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