[MD] How far do you go to preserve individual life?

[Horse]

  Platt
I'm saying that your use of the term is both propaganda and emotive 
nonsense.
The discussion in question occurred around the end of August 2009.
Read the threads and refresh your memory - a lot of time and bandwidth 
was wasted then and I don't particularly want a re-run of it now.
I'm asking nicely at the moment.

Horse

On 13/09/2010 16:31, plattholden at gmail.com wrote:
> Horse,
> Who says "death panel" is propaganda? Who says it's "emotive nonsense?"
> I don't recall that this has "been over in the past." Can you refresh my
> memory? Thanks.
>
> Platt
>
>
> On 13 Sep 2010 at 15:50, Horse wrote:
>
>>    Platt
>> Would you please keep your 'Death Panel' propaganda away from the MD list.
>> We've been over this in the past and there is no need to bring this sort
>> of nonsense into the discussion.
>> If you have concerns about this then there should be no problem in
>> raising these concerns without the need to resort to this sort of
>> emotive nonsense.
>> All that will happen is that there will be a shouting match about 'Death
>> Panels', nothing will be gained or resolved and I will have to step in
>> and halt the conversation (which I will do) after much time and energy
>> is wasted.
>>
>> Horse
>>
>> On 13/09/2010 15:35, plattholden at gmail.com wrote:
>>> All:
>>>
>>> In a conversation reported in the Guardian.uk scientists David Attenborough and
>>> Richard Dawkins were asked, "What is the most difficult ethical dilemma facing
>>> science today:?
>>>
>>> "DA: How far do you go to preserve individual human life?
>>>
>>> RD: That's a good one, yes.
>>>
>>> DA: I mean, what are we to do with the NHS? How can you put a value in pounds,
>>> shillings and pence on an individual life? There was a case with a bowel cancer
>>> drug -- if you gave that drug, which costs several thousand pounds, it
>>> continued life for six weeks on. How can you make that decision?"
>>>
>>> How would the MOQ make that decision? There's no direct answer that I can find
>>> in Pirsig's writings. I presume that if the patient was of sound mind and, from
>>> his past history, could potentially offer something of intellectual value
>>> during the remaining six or so weeks of his life, he should receive the drug.
>>> Otherwise, the social value of his life would rule which, as the Giant would
>>> judge, isn't worth a pence. Biologically the poor soul would be best recycled.
>>>
>>> What's really horrendous about the question is that in the NHS and now
>>> potentially in the U.S. such questions are all too real with life and death
>>> decisions in the hands of a government committee, i.e., a death panel. I don't
>>> know about you, but the thought of my government determining whether I live or
>>> die makes me sick. It's as if Joe Stalin was resurrected.
>>>
>>> When you surrender such personal decisions to the government, not only is your
>>> life threatened, but DQ, the creative force of evolution, dies, too. Perhaps,
>>> the MOQ answer is just that -- take responsibility for your own life so DQ can
>>> flourish.
>>>
>>> The interview is at:
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/11/science-david-attenborough-
>>> richard-dawkins
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Platt
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