[MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]

Krimel Krimel at Krimel.com
Mon Sep 13 10:07:09 PDT 2010 

Then how about you leave the channel instead of bitching about people raising topics you don't care to hear about. Obviously, people here have a right to say whatever Horse thinks is ok but you are just whining. I find your code talking offensive. Over use of punctuation and ending sentences with some presumed inside knowledge, it is smug pretentious drivel that require enormous effort to delete. As Frank might say, "Flush you and the horse you rode in on".
Krimel

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian [mailto:ian.glendinning at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 12:58 PM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]

:-) Not silence Krim, appropriate channels, my opinion. I explained  
explicitly - personal problems / insults - md is the wrong channel.

Ps people do not have the right to say "whatever they want"
Ian

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On 13 Sep 2010, at 18:22, "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com> wrote:

> Since when have you become the fucking thought police. People here  
> have a right to say whatever the hell they want; at least until  
> recently when people are being bullied into silence. I know that  
> Horse does a great job here but WTF? Even crazy tinfoil hat dude  
> ought to be able to speak his mind as far as I am concerned. Same  
> for crazy Squonk and obnoxious Bradford. Those aren't my calls and  
> I'll live with a few more objectionable decisions of that sort but  
> for Christ sake if you don't like what people say explain why or  
> ignore and delete.
>
> The alternative, a path we are rapidly traveling, is to silence all  
> comment and then your frickin' inbox will be pristine. In the mean  
> time take that fucking iPhone and shove it in your outbox.
>
> Krimel
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian [mailto:ian.glendinning at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:39 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]
>
> And Marsha you just aimed a "trashy little insult" at dmb. You got a
> personal problem, take it offline, to the moderator ... Or a  
> confidant.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13 Sep 2010, at 17:00, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Horse,
>>
>> Having been on the receiving end of one of dmb's trashy little
>> posts full of insults, I was a bit sensitive to the tactic.  But I  
>> get
>> your message loud and clear.  It won't happen again on my
>> part.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Horse wrote:
>>
>>> [Message from MD Administrator]
>>>
>>> I agree completely with Adrie here.
>>> Emails that are sent off-list should remain off-list.
>>> If they are to be posted to the list then ALL participants should
>>> agree to their being published on MD AND they should run it past me
>>> first.
>>> If there is some particular reason that you feel something should
>>> be be brought from the private to the public domain (threats or
>>> whatever) then please contact me with your concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>> Horse
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/09/2010 14:32, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is fully my responsibility for posting publicly the 'Unlike
>>>> Marsha's post,
>>>> this really is OFF LIST' post.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:18 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to read all of this , Jc, i worked with my hands all my
>>>>> life , and i'm
>>>>> aware of how harsh life can become for some people.
>>>>> My life's expierience tells me that it al begins with only one
>>>>> loose end,
>>>>> they are added up, loose end above loose end.
>>>>> On a certaint moment in time, it will generate a cascade of
>>>>> events ,called a
>>>>> mid-life crisis.
>>>>> But it is not per-se a bad thing to talk about it but even in
>>>>> this optic you
>>>>> have to keep the balance.
>>>>> The big questions of life.....sooner or later everybody will meet
>>>>> them, one
>>>>> of my basic rules in life is simple as hell,
>>>>> "do not throw in a lot of show elements in life, it will backfire
>>>>> always",.And i don't mean to say that i'm the keeper of wisdom.
>>>>>
>>>>> But to use some phrase of Pirsig, throwing sand in the bulls eyes
>>>>> won't
>>>>> work.
>>>>> You have to reformat yourself this very day man,and its sad to
>>>>> say, but you
>>>>> will have to carry some past backpacking in the future.
>>>>> The clausule's you are mentioning used by the banks , are about
>>>>> the same as
>>>>> here, THEY ARE NEGOTIATABLE,its mostly possible to reformulate
>>>>> the loan, and
>>>>> end up with a streched-out  downpayment-term. it is often done
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> The usage of the red tagging argument is also tried-out here,
>>>>> wont work,
>>>>> this counter argument doesn't settle the debts to the bank.
>>>>> They call it a solid as Titanic-argument here in
>>>>> Europe.Renegotiate the
>>>>> boundary's and properties of the loan man.
>>>>>
>>>>> Septic tanks are unimportant until they overflow........needless
>>>>> to comment.
>>>>> Move on again on your own force to carry the the day man, i shit
>>>>> you not.
>>>>> And i strongly dissaprove the usage for unclear purposes of list-
>>>>> ommitted
>>>>> mails.
>>>>> Mails that are meant to be kept confidential, have no right of
>>>>> existence in
>>>>> the public domain.This is unnaceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'v stayed away from the conflict DMB, Jc,i try to keep my
>>>>> options open as
>>>>> long as possible.try to settle the conflict Jc, without cheap
>>>>> use of relaying mails in the public domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adrie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/9/12 John Carl<ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A story Marsha?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure.  I like Dave and the Ronettes, just fine, but I'll tell
>>>>>> you a story
>>>>>> about Limbo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Limbo is a place.  As a place, the best description I have for
>>>>>> it is "not
>>>>>> this, not that".  I'm not real familiar with Catholic theology,
>>>>>> but as I
>>>>>> understand it,  Limbo  describes where pagans .  and
>>>>>> unchristened babies go
>>>>>> after they die.  Sounds like my kind of people, actually.   I
>>>>>> think good
>>>>>> Catholics are supposed to pray their loved ones out of limbo and
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> heaven.  But I always wondered why.  Limbo sounds like the
>>>>>> middle way to
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I say I'm living in Limbo, I mean my property, my home of
>>>>>> 18 years, my
>>>>>> old miner's cabin which dangles over the diggins behind the
>>>>>> house, and
>>>>>> fronts onto HWY 49.  If I stand in my front yard I can hear
>>>>>> Harleys and
>>>>>> Semi
>>>>>> Trucks going by.  If I stand in the back I'm bordering on BLM
>>>>>> land,
>>>>>> thousands of acres of it, below the level of an 80 foot cliff
>>>>>> that shunts
>>>>>> sounds over my head and leaves me in peace.  I live on the knife
>>>>>> edge of
>>>>>> ambiguity.  This can be maddening, or frustrating or quite
>>>>>> liberating,
>>>>>> depending on how you wanna look at it.  A couple of events have
>>>>>> conspired
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> bring the knife edge of ambiguity to a razor sharp hone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, on Sept. 2nd, Lu was issued a ticket by Nevada County to
>>>>>> appear in
>>>>>> court on criminal charges.  These charges concern the condition
>>>>>> of our
>>>>>> property and septic disposal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time, JP Morgan Chase has somehow "lost" our
>>>>>> modification
>>>>>> documents, which they say gives them the power to renegotiate
>>>>>> our mortgage
>>>>>> modification.  I hear stories all the time about such antics.
>>>>>> How the
>>>>>> government gives money to banks to make up their losses and
>>>>>> foolishness.
>>>>>> How the banks take the money, and keep the property, in the
>>>>>> hopes of
>>>>>> milking
>>>>>> more money out of these "financial instruments".  Good luck with
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> Sooner or later, something real needs to happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday a shelf, burdened with books fell down and I had to
>>>>>> pick up the
>>>>>> books.  I found one I didn't even know I had, it was from so
>>>>>> long ago - a
>>>>>> thin brown book of poetry by Gary Snyder -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Some critic tried to put me down--
>>>>>> 'your poems lack the Basic Truth of Tao'
>>>>>> And I recall the old-timers
>>>>>> Who were poor and didn't care.
>>>>>> I have to laugh at him,
>>>>>> He misses the point entirely,
>>>>>> Men like that
>>>>>> Ought to stick to making money."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Between the bank and the county, who both stick my home in
>>>>>> Limbo, I find
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> perfect stand.  To the county I say, "Hey, it's not even certain
>>>>>> that it's
>>>>>> my property.  Go find JP Morgan/Chase and ask him to cut the
>>>>>> grass, get rid
>>>>>> of the unregistered vehicles and ancient school bus moldering in
>>>>>> apple
>>>>>> orchard."  To JP Morgan Chase I say, "hey, why should I sign your
>>>>>> modification agreement when the property isn't even livable?
>>>>>> The county
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> red-tagged it and here is the supporting documentation to prove
>>>>>> what I
>>>>>> say".  All threats cancel each other out and just thrusts me
>>>>>> deeper into
>>>>>> limbo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pray for me, then.  Not to leave limbo for heaven, but to turn
>>>>>> Limbo into
>>>>>> heaven, without interference from demons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
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